Euro 2008: Let’s help Scolari!

Choose Portugal’s midfield for Austria & Switzerland

In what has proved a tremendously popular Fanszone section, you the supporters are given the chance to discuss the national team in the build-up to the Euro 2008 tournament in June this year.

Following on from the rich debate concerning Portugal’s ideal forward line, Orlando Mac and Alberto Mourinho turn their attentions to the midfield. Do you agree with their selections? Join the debate by using the form at the bottom of the page.


by Orlando Mac
Midfield Monsters

Fernando Meira

Portuguese football has always been known for its creativity and flexible free flowing formations. In part one I presented you with the 3-1 Forward system which has Ronaldo at the centre.

Let me clarify that the 3-1 is in full attack, Ronaldo could also slide up into a classic English 4-2 as the second striker or exchange spots with either winger if he so chooses, as both Quaresma and Nani are used to exchanging roles on the fly. All this is to confuse the opposition freeing the ball carriers from double marking especially Ronaldo.

So with Ronaldo as the basis for this Midfield even though for all intents and purposes we have classified him as a Forward let’s just say he has taken over Deco’s role on the team.

This 4 pronged attack requires balance so with that in mind we need Midfielders that are adept at both sides of the ball but most importantly the defensive end considering the fire power up front. Players that would suit these roles are those who can mop up quick messes and not lose their head under pressure. This is paramount because of the Forwards and that a defender or two will overlap regularly.

The clearest choice for these roles would be Maniche, Veloso, Petit, Meira, Caneira, Deco, Fernandes, Tiago, and Meireles.

Now if you are looking for shooters from outside to force defences out of their box and keep them honest then Maniche, Petit, and Veloso would impress you.

Veloso intelligence

With the Fantastic Forward’s running around causing mayhem the best supporting Midfielder would be Veloso for his ability to get out of trouble quickly and intelligently outlay the ball to create counter pressure. Forget Petit - he’s a loose cannon who’s always a yellow card away from a suspension not to mention the gaps he creates with his tackling. Maniche too would fill this role.

Now for the defensive midfielder whose role is probably the most important on this team besides Ronaldo’s, because this free flowing system that is continually changing shape requires a strong man. Since most Portuguese midfielders have no clue about the defensive anchor capacity I’ve selected Meira for this responsibility, as he demonstrated against Finland he’s exceptional at this role which he used to play for Benfica. Add to the fact that our fullbacks usually attack makes this role even more colossal.

So my Midfield Monsters are Veloso and Meira.

Forward line: Ronaldo, Quaresma, Almeida, Nani
Midfield: Veloso, Meira



by Alberto Mourinho
Trust in youth!

Joao Moutinho

Portugal can view Euro 2008 in one of two ways. They can go all out for winning it, or they can use it as a stepping stone to build an even stronger team for World Cup 2010 and following tournaments.

This is not negative thinking but just realistic. The Seleccao has brilliant young players coming through, but they may be a little too young to make an impact at this tournament – I’m thinking particularly Nani, Jose Bosingwa, Miguel Veloso and Joao Moutinho.

Nani I dealt with in the previous piece (Portugal’s attacking options) and I’ll talk about Bosingwa when discussing the defence. Today my brief is the midfield.

Having selected Ronaldo, Quaresma and Almeida up front, it leaves three positions for midfield. My threesome would be Veloso as the defensive midfielder, with Moutinho and Maniche in the centre.

Why? Veloso and Moutinho play together every week and know exactly each other’s movements. This must be taken advantage of, like the way Portugal took advantage of so many Porto players in the same team in Euro 2004. And we all saw the result.

Also I have no doubts these two players will soon be playing abroad and will become Portugal’s best midfielders over the next decade. So throw them in now I say. To balance the youth I’d pick Maniche over Deco, although it’s a close one to call.

Maniche - big tournament player

Neither player has had a very good season, but let’s face it, Maniche hasn’t done anything at club level since leaving Porto, but when he wears a Portugal shirt in big tournaments he transforms into a world-beater. He was our best player at Euro 2004 and was outstanding again at World Cup 2006.

He also gives more aggression than Deco. Deco is a more creative and a better passer, but Maniche should simply pass to Moutinho and Veloso who both know how to send the perfect throughballs to Ronaldo and Quaresma.

Some might say that Moutinho, Veloso and Maniche is a little bit lightweight for a midfield. It’s true and Ron and Quaresma will have to track back to help out defensively and not just concentrate on attack.

But with the likes of Ricardo Carvalho, Pepe and Bruno Alves, Portugal should not be intimidated physically be any team.

With the energy, enthusiasm and sheer talent of this midfield Portugal has a chance good chance of blending in the group stage, then hopefully they can surprise the stronger teams in the quarters, semis and final. And if the worse comes to the worse, Scolari would have laid the foundations for the future.

Forward line: Ronaldo, Quaresma, Almeida
Midfield: Veloso, Moutinho, Maniche


Força Portugal!



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Your comments
  • BRYAN (B), PORTUGAL
    14/05/2008 19:32
    to Mario,

    yes it is true. I hate Scolari for his choosing. Why would you choose his brother over him? thats not good. Anyways, he did leave out some good people such as Tiago, and Nuno Valente...however, he did take some bad people out such as Boa Morte, and Costinha
  • Mario, Porto, Portugal
    13/05/2008 15:03
    I'm furious. Big Pill is hard to swallow. No Maniche? He has it in for Porto players, which was evident when he passed up Vitor Baia for the chicken (that's his nickname here) Ricardo.

    I wish this clown would go back to Brasil or somewhere else. Anywhere but Portugal.

    Argh!!!!
  • B,
    09/05/2008 19:30
    To Jamie,
    ya i see where your comin from. And as of Caneira, i never really liked him...certain players like Boa Morte, Costinha and Pedro Mendes really never impressed me. Costinha always gets us into some kind of trouble. And to people who r saying use Meira as a Defensive Mid... i'm not really into the idea, but Scolari should just try it in a freindly game to try it. Also Ricardo is some-what old and we need to try either Quim, or D. Fernandes
  • Jamie,
    08/05/2008 10:47
    Dear Bryan,

    I don’t totally called your formation lame, but what you’re saying is true. What we need is goals and that is the main factor in football “scoring goals.”

    What my comments is Marco Caneira. He is the weak-point in the formation. As we seen in the qualification sessions and few friendly matches, he is the weak-point. He started most of the matches, but of all the outcomes, his poor quality gives Portugal the slip. As we all seen, in the some of the prior Portugal matches against Finland, Azerbaijan, and Poland, etc, the main attacking of the opponent comes from his defensive side. Also, the number of crosses made by the opponent is doubled from his side, which is very affective and gives Portugal poor results.

    So, I don’t think we can effort to give him the starting lineup in the big EURO tournament. “If he starts, we are doom.”
  • Bryan, Lisbon
    08/05/2008 01:31
    Dear Jamie,

    how is it that the formation is lame?? what we need is goals. Certian players havent been performing and we need goals from them.
  • Phil B, Kingston, Canada
    07/05/2008 19:48
    -------Ricardo------------
    -----Pepe--B Alves--------
    Bosingwa----------Fereirra
    -------------Meira--------
    -----Maniche--------------
    Quaresma-------------Nani-
    ------------Ronaldo-------
    ------Almeida--------------
  • nam, hanoi,Vietnam
    07/05/2008 16:23
    ricardo-valente'carvalho,meira,miguel-maniche,veloso,deco-quaresma,simao,NUNO GOMES.
    i think Nuno Gomes is an experienced striker who gives goals on big tournements.Let's see how he brings us at EURO:5 goals and all of them were important(included a goal against rival Spain).Full trust in him!!!!Forca Gomes!
  • Jamie,
    07/05/2008 11:11
    Mr. Matt, the big factor why you don’t see any wrong in Marco Caneira is because you have not seen much of his game. As compared to other Portuguese players, his ball control is very bad. More over, his overlapping is not consistent. He is on the same rank as Ricardo Costa. It is even more wiser to put Ze Castro of Atletico Madrid than to Caneira.
  • matt, canada
    06/05/2008 20:29
    My line up and players i would bring to Euro 2008 in June

    Formation: 1-2-2-1-4

    Starting:

    ST:Almeida
    LWM:Simao(C)
    RWM:Ronaldo
    LCM:Deco
    RCM:Maniche
    CDM:Meira
    LB:Caneira
    LCB:Carvalho
    RCB:Pepe
    RB:Bosingwa
    GK:Ricardo

    Subs:
    ST:Gomes
    ST:Makakula
    LWM:Nani
    RWM:Quaresma
    LCM:Raul Meireles
    RCM:Joao Moutinho
    CDM:Miguel Veloso
    LB:Ferreira
    CB:Bruno Alves
    RB:Miguel
    GK:Rui Patricio
    GK:Moreira

    I picked Simao over Nani and Quaresma because Simao is the most CONSISTANT player we have.He is also the most EXPERIENCED of the 3. Luis Nani is a good player but how many games has he started for Man. U and look at the age difference Nani has no experience whats so ever for his club and national. Quaresma isn't consistant, if he played like he did against Guimaeres then yes play please but that doesn't happen every game he still needs to impress. The young talent is for for 2010 this tournment is for the more Experienced players, 2010 thats when we start with the younger talents for example:Nani,Quaresma,Veloso,
    Moutinho,Alves and etc.

    The Three Center/Defensive Mids i chose were Meira(CDM),Maniche(CM) and Deco(CM). These three are a good combination because they are all good passers and can lead the attack, they are also good for keeping the ball in the opponents area.I picked Caneira over P.Ferreira because i don't really see anything wrong with the guy, maybe once in a while he makes a mistake, but doesn't everyone on the team make mistakes?
  • DEEJAY OLSAR, West London
    06/05/2008 17:36
    Paolo Ferreira is not good enough for Chelsea let alone the Portuguese National Team...
    Deco needs to be included because he is the engine of any team that he plays for...and so he is needed for essential passing...
    FORCA PORTUGAL!
  • KS, Singapore
    06/05/2008 13:05
    GK: Ricardo
    RB: Bosingwa
    LB: Miguel
    CB: Carvalho, Meira
    cm: veloso, manuel fernandes
    wingers: ronaldo, quaresma
    in the hole: moutinho
    striker: Gomes
    pick this team n have fun @ e euros baby
  • Jamie,
    06/05/2008 01:21
    Jamie,

    For a guy living in Portugal, you sure don't know anything about your country and about the players do you? Your formation is too lame, it is out of the mark... It will never work out!!

  • Bryan, Lisboa, Portugal
    06/05/2008 00:51
    alright the only way we can win is by having some youth players and some veterns..This is my best line-up:

    GK-Ricardo
    LWB- Bosingwa
    CB- R. Carvalho
    CB- Meira
    RWB- Antunes
    CDM- M. Veloso
    CM- Tiago
    LM- Quaresma
    RM- Nani
    LF- Postiga
    RF- Ronaldo

    like some of the players that were used in the Fifa world Cup were garbage, Costinha and Miguel didn't really do anything. And why choose Boa Morte. Get some time in for players like Deco and Nuno Gomes who will be leaving in the future.
  • matt, canada
    04/05/2008 20:29

    ST:Hugo Almeida
    CAM:Deco
    LWM:R.Quaresma
    LCM:F.Meira
    RCM:Maniche
    RWM:C.Ronaldo
    LB:P.Ferreira
    LCB:Carvalho(C)
    RCB:Pepe
    RB:Bosingwa
    GK:Ricardo

    Hugo Almeida as the striker is one of are good or best choices, hes young,good in the air and can score but not the fastest player we have!Deco as the CAM because when figo left we seemed to have lost a midfield master that can make good chances for the scorers Deco is the man for the job.My left Wide is Quaresma because hes are second Ronaldo, when Ronaldo isn't their we got Quaresma hes fast,good dribbler,a good passer and can surprise everyone with that good goal.Meira is are best choice for a defensive mid he is big,and fast, hes not only good for the defence part but he is improving on the attack we have seen it against greece he almost got portugal a goal. The reason why i picked Maniche for the second mid is because hes good for keeping the ball in the opponents end, he can pass the ball very well and has a wonderful shot. Ronaldo is on because hes are best player!
    The reason why i picked Carvalho as are Captain is because he has experience as a player and for Portugal he usually saves are *** in the defence ,hes also smart with the ball with his long passing hes a leader, and hes a hard wall for defence. Ricardo is are keeper because he has Experience in big competitions i still believe he can do well in euro 2008.
  • Fernando, Canada
    02/05/2008 17:18
    Hello folks,


    Can't say I agree with all the line-ups. Love the passion though!
    One thing that needs to be addressed is our opposition. Euro is arguably a more difficult tournament to win than the World Cup. Squads like Brazil and Argentina are not in the competition, but there are no weak groups. You are not in a group with Angola and Iran. So the line-up has to be more stategic than ever. One of the reasons that Italy and Germany get out of the group stage consistently is because their teams are difficult to beat. They don't always win their groups, but they get out of the group because they are solid as a defensive unit. In other words, they can balance offensive flair with defensive responsibility. Portugal has to field a squad that will get results. This might not be the most attractive football, but nothing looks better than hoisting a cup.

    Vdhazer, you mention that Euro is not time for experimentation yet your lineup has 4 players
    ( Boswinga, Veloso, Meirales, and Quaresma) who have not played in a major tournament. Obviously, you support some experimentation. I do agree with your selection of several new faces (for example, Veloso, Nani, and Boswinga) It's time to take a leap of faith with our youth. Great rewards come to those that take "reasonable" risks.

    So unless someone out there has Scolari's ear keep up the speculation because I don't think anyone-including the Portuguese top brass I might add- has the final roster yet.

    Forca!
  • Orlandomac, Toronto, Canada
    02/05/2008 03:41
    Also in addition to the post just below this let's make it clear, their are two types of players.
    One is an excellent league player who always look impressive there, and there are the men who step up to the big occasion on a grand stage. These are not always the same.

    Case in point Ian Wright a phenom with an exceptional strike rate in the PL for Arsenal. He scored some of the greatest goals I ever saw week in week out, but when he suited up for the Nat squad he was a complete bust. Pauleta was the same exceptional league player but for the Nat team he scored everyone of his goals against week oposition, in the important matches he disappeared as the marking got better. Reason for this is you can't hide on the big stage and you face a defence of their best not a side with only one good defender.
    Gomes on the other hand as a sub has managed near 45% strike rate, he is the perfect super sub & can't handle the full 90.
    Cristiano has another exceptional rate, sometimes we forget that he is a mid and not CF, but he has shone more in tournaments, and still has to improve his A game against stiff opposition that double marks him.

    So contrary to what some believe although I think he could score as a CF, I feel he will be seperated from the game for too long of times as he was for some of the Barca match.
    You need your best player in the thick of things to succeed. I was glad to see Deco looked much better but still have my doubts on his current form.

  • Orlandomac, Toronto, Canada
    02/05/2008 03:21
    What a spirited debate, gotta say I love it. I am at home sick tonight so something to get my mind off of things is great. Thank you gentlemen.
    Let me start by questioning some of the picks.. Chris Petit at DM dude did you miss all the tournaments he starred in for all the wrong reasons? He can tackle but goes miles out to do so creating huge empty pockets.
    Matt usually I like your sensible lineups but Veloso/Moutinho/Deco in the middle equals lightweights, who will never win a ball. You need some steel in that belly for that to work the middle of tha park will dictate your game that is why it has to be strong.
    " , " Postiga as a striker? I know he has a 33% strike rate for the Nat but so does Almeida, Mak, and Gomes is in the 45% area. I would rather opt for Yannick as Fernando wisely chimed in with his form of late has been exceptional, worthy of inclusion, even tempting.
    VD I can appreciate you like others feel strongly about Meira being out CB, and although I prefer others I have no major issues with that formation either. Your comments about a tournament isn't a time to tinker is completely off base, the best teams in these tournaments adapt. Remember the last Euro started out with the old guard and a loss to Greece Scolari changed the squad as game wore on and they got better, so he rewarded them with playing time in the next game, look at the result our first finals. So I disagree with you, a mgr has to be responsive to what is on show around him.
  • Anderson, Portland, USA
    01/05/2008 11:26
    Great on Vdhazer, Even though the word biopsy sounds odd, yeah Portugal posses tons of talented players and for me also, there is a strong B team enough to opposed lots of other country in the tournament. For my “BIOPSY”, testing and experimenting different players is for the better future.
  • Vdhazer, Aizawl, India
    01/05/2008 11:14
    In fact your totally correct Ms. Jamie. True the word Biopsy means TEAM B, but I’m not a physician or from Portugal.

    I constructed the word biopsy because for the Portugal Team B, it is somewhat like an operation of checkout what it is, what a player posses in him. So, don’t think it as a joke.


    Cheers,
  • Jamie,
    01/05/2008 11:11
    Vdhazer, what exactly is the meaning of “Portugal Team Biopsy.” You are suppose to tell Fernando, but what I am also very curious about the world Biopsy.

    I think I rather should be Team B or maybe you are the players physician.

    Very curious,

    Cheers,
  • Vdhazer, Aizawl, India
    01/05/2008 10:53
    Mr. Ramos,

    Let me tell you a very big issue. Euro 2008 is not a tournament, which a country can participate on it for experimenting their players. It is the second biggest competition in the football world and your think only about experimenting. This is not a joke. This tournament imposed a big factor for football fans.

    Yeah, the country has lots of bright talented wingers, but I have to say for Ronaldo, he should play as a winger (left or right whatever). Overall, I would like him playing “FREE ROLE”

    Mr. Fernando, if you are so curious to know how my plan for Portugal squad. Okay:

    GK: Ricardo
    RB: Luis Miguel
    CB: R. Carvalho
    CB: F. Meira*
    LB: Bosingwa
    CDM: M. Veloso
    CM: R. Meireles
    CM: Deco
    LW: Quaresma
    RW: C. Ronaldo (Free Role)
    ST: N. Gomes (C)

    If you so desire, I am more than happy to show you even my “Portugal Team Biopsy”.

    Cheers,
  • Robertson,
    01/05/2008 10:32
    Ms. Ramos, I didn’t miss either of the legs. In fact, I have watched both matches again twice or thrice and I have seen their capabilities and I’m not impressed with Ronaldo playing as the lone striker. But, let me tell you something, (anybody will know, except you) Ronaldo was not as a lone striker the whole 90 mins. He was running through the striking role when Manchester is on the counter attack, which is lacked in the first leg. On the second leg, you might seen him as a lone striker, but from my point of view, he is playing when counter attacking.
  • ramos,, toronto, canada
    30/04/2008 22:13
    Hey Robertson I guess you missed both legs of the man utd barca tie? Because if you watched you would have seen Ferguson using Ronaldo as a lone striker. Meira has played dm role before this isn't moving him out of position, although he looks awkward in that role hopefully he can grow into it.
  • matt, canada
    30/04/2008 22:04
    ST:Nuno Gomes(C)
    CAM:Deco
    LWM:R.Quaresma
    CM:Joao Moutinho
    CDM:Miguel Veloso
    RWM:C.Ronaldo
    LB:P.Ferreira
    LCB:R.Carvalho
    RCB:Pepe
    RB:Bosingwa
    GK:Ricardo

    Hugo Almeida
    Yannick Djalo
    Nani
    Simao
    Tiago
    Maniche
    Petit
    Meira
    Fernandes
    Duda
    C.Martins
    Caneira
    Miguel
    Alves
    Abel
    Nelson
    Rui Patrico
    Quim
  • PSousaNJ, Newark,NJ,USA
    30/04/2008 21:03
    how do you people not understand fernando meira IS a DM we are not inventing anything here some of us just acutally know what were talking about while others are retarded.
  • Dublin Tuga, Ireland
    30/04/2008 17:57
    Have to agree with Robertson. Dont complicate things. Portugal has major players in almost all the positions on the field. Play them in there natural positions to create the best team.

    But great discussion BTW. LOL!

    FORÇA PORTUGAL
  • Robertson,
    30/04/2008 12:22
    Going too much out of hand:

    First you peoples are saying to put Fernando Meira as a defensive midfielder. Okay, seems exceptional.

    And now your trying to put Ronaldo as a lone striker. What more can we gooo????

    Then, next lets put Joao Moutinho as a center back (how does that sounds)

  • ramos, toronto, canada
    30/04/2008 03:48
    I'm not sure if Ronaldo can play the lone striker role but I think there's nothing wrong with Portugal experimenting with it. What do we have to lose? He's a phenomenal talent I'm sure he can adapt to any offensive role Portugal throws his way, furthermore we have tons of depth on the wings which would allow for us to experiment like this with Ronaldo. With that said Deco looks to be healthy and ready to go for Portugal he was awesome with Barca at old trafford. I hope the pieces fall into place for this tournament.
  • Chris, Toronto
    29/04/2008 01:09
    my starting line:

    GK:Ricardo
    RB:Bosingwa
    CB:R. Caravalho
    CB:B. Alves
    LB:Paulo F.

    CDM:Petit
    CM:Maniche
    CAM:Deco

    LWM:Quaresma
    RWM:C.Ronaldo(C)

    ST:Nuno Gomes
  • Fernando, Canada
    28/04/2008 17:39
    Vdhazer,

    You have made it clear that you oppose having Meira as a defensive mid-fielder - fair enough. Can you please provide your starting 11. I am curious to see how you will balance attacking flair with defensive responsibility.

    Cheers,
  • ,
    28/04/2008 01:44
    im sticking with this lineup its the most balanced and allows for possesion this idea that hes going to switch from a 4-5-1/4-3-3 hybrid is ridiculous...we have players who are versatile and can play various postions.....scolari isnt stupid and recognises this....

    Ricardo
    Miguel Carvalho Pepe Bosingwa

    Meira

    Veloso


    Deco/Moutinho

    Quaresma

    Ronaldo
    Almeida


    Bench:
    Alves
    Nani
    Maniche
    Antunes?(Left foot)
    Simao
    Moutinho/Deco
    another CB ur guess is as good as mine
    P.Ferreira




  • ,
    26/04/2008 17:20
    Goal Keepers D. fernandes Ricardo

    RB miguel bosingwa nelson fereira

    Cb MEIRA CARVALHO Pepe alves

    CM Maniche tiago deco fernandes Veloso Moutinho

    Wings Ronaldo quaresma simao nani

    forwards gomes Postiga YANNICK

    OTHERS could be boa morte makakula Almeida Martins J. ribeiro R ROCHA P mendes duda and much more

    starting lineup 1

    ricardo
    Miguel carvalho pepe bosingwa
    veloso
    Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Quaresma maniche

    DECO

    POstiga




    BENCH
    Nelson
    Meira
    Fernandes
    Moutinho
    nani
    simao
    Yannick
  • Orlandomac, Toronto, Canada
    26/04/2008 17:07
    JR & VD must have the same english teacher, because the lauguage/opinions almost looks the same.

    Now VD I appreciate that you think Meira is a world class CB, we have a few.

    I would rate him about 4th on the list, so is explendable as CB.

    Let's clear up a few misconceptions though, VD you claim Meira's showing at Stuttgart where he won a trophy and such is the be all and end all, lest you forget how he signed that record signing, as a Def Mid, which was his main role at Benfica.

    So you can stop with the one game bs, as Meira wouldn't be where he is today without his record at def mid.

    The dilemna is that there is no Portuguese player suited to play that holding role, hence the conversion of Meira from D, even Scolari has had to resort to it more often.
    Some might think that Veloso should be left to handle the bulk of the defensive duties. This is a mistake and would take away from his natural skill. Sportings varied results this year are testament to that for me he is played out of position for the lions. Some will create a complete offensive pack with HA, CR, DC, QU, MN, & MV now who will win a ball for u. U need a solid D to be able to win games. I don't want my D Mid to be a great passer, I want him to defend PERIOD, JR we have enough passers.
    We have wingers that run on D and at F you need a guy to move no where but D, if you think Veloso is that guy lol.
    There is only one ball on the field at a time, some of you dudes think that each player gets one.
  • Tony Lima, Marysville, CA USA
    26/04/2008 05:39
    I tend to agree with my friend Orlandomac on the midfield monsters. I have struggled with what would work but I think the most solid would be Veloso and Meira.

    Velosa has great touch on the ball an is very classy. He as a bit of Beckham in how he is able to cross and make long passes.
    Meira was a defensive midfield and can fill the void when our backs attack.

    One player to keep an eye on is Tiago who is playing better and could find a spot on the team.

    Maniche is a puzzling player who has played well in tournaments but is a nomadic soccer soul who can't settle anywhere. He is a risk but maybe you put him on for his pension for tournaments.

    Deco for sure and his form will imrprove. Moutinho is a nice player but is small and typical of many Portuguese midfield who entice you a bit but make few big plays. I think he is a nice reserve.
    There are some players to avoid if they were stocks at would not buy them and certainly have no place in the starting 11 or if the 22 man squad.


    Petit is a little pitbull with no teeth and brings very little to the game. Watch the game against Poland in the last 3 minutes and you'll find his play didn't help us kill the game. Keep him off the team.

    Mierles is a nice player but at best a reserve. At best a bit player on the national team and a pretty good club player.
    In conclusion:

    Meira Veloso
    CR Deco Nani
    Gomes/Almeida (Yannick?)





  • Paulinho, Miami
    25/04/2008 21:43
    ----------------Ricardo
    Bosingwa---Carvalho--Meira---Alves
    --------------Veloso
    ---Maniche----------------Deco
    Quaresma---------------------Nani
    --------------Ronaldo

    Bench: Almeida, Moutinho, Pepe, Simao, Ferreira, Rui Patricio
  • jp, toronto
    25/04/2008 18:17
    Ricardo ( quim)(dfernandes) RB Luis Miguel, bosingwa, nelson, P.ferreira
    CB R carvalho,F meira,J Andrade, pepe,b alves
    MANICHE, M. FERNANDES, M. VELOSO, DECO, J.MOUTINHO MARTINS MEIRELES Tiago
    WINgs SIMAO QUARESMA NANI RONALDo FORWARDS GOMES POSTIGA ALMEIDA MAKA DJALO boamorte Ricardo

    Miguel Ricardo carvalho pepe bosingwa


    veloso


    C. ronaldo R. quaresma


    Maniche deco
    H Postiga
    Subs
    Nelson
    F. Meira
    Fernandes J. moutinho
    Simao
    nani
    yannick
    Daniel Fernandes

    Bosingwa pepe jorge andrade Miguel
    Miguel veloso
    Boa morte
    nelson Maniche Deco J.moutinho quaresma
    Fernandes
    makakula
    Simao
    nani
    Yannick
  • Robertson,
    25/04/2008 15:12
    I have to stick with what Mr. Vdhazer is saying. Yeah, it is true, Meira is an important player defending for both his club and for Portugal. I agree that only one match don’t convince. I don’t know why he should be a defending midfielder. Beside, I don’t think he has the touch to be a midfielder and given the fact that all his carriers he is playing as a central defender. He even helped Stuttgart become the German Champion.

    As for the midfielder, I have to select Veloso and Maniche. Veloso is one of the fasting rising starts in this business. He early caps to Portugal are unremarkable. He sense of timing, his accurate tackling and given the fact that he has a very bright future ahead of him. As for Maniche, his potentials eventually rised when he plays a big match. His impacts on the Euro 2004 and World Cup 2006 were totally fantastic. I would also put Deco on the squad.

    Ronaldo and Quaresma can both play on the wing side by side, and changing roles at anytime, overlapping. I still would rather select Nuno Gomes than Hugo Almeida due to his experience in this kind of big tournament and also for his impact in taking the right time.
  • Jamie,
    25/04/2008 14:57
    I can see that some of you cannot makeup your mine and some of you don’t have a clue of what your thinking. Some peoples are just making up their own squad with the less meaning. If this is the squad, there is no doubt that Portugal with hit the dirt.

    Also, some of you are reflecting each others words. The reason why I found you peoples reflecting each others opinion is that both of you totally doesn’t have a clue. In this debate, it should be about the midfielders, not to reflect each others article.

    I also found people who are appointing a defender to do a midfielder work (this is very rich). The defender that you peoples are appointing is also one of the best in the world.

    Please, come to this time. Some of you are standing on that he used to be a midfielder. Hello, face the fact; this is the world we are in.
  • Vdhazer, Aizawl, India
    25/04/2008 13:42
    Seeing just one is not believing (Finland match) and just thinking meaningless. "You have to face the fact."

    No need to dug out old stuff like he used to play on this role.

    Still, I have to say that you peoples don't know any clue about Fernando Meira. Face the fact, what will his form on the defensive midfield on the long-run. See, it is not just one match that maybe his form is exceptional. What about his career, his career is on the back line. He has always been on this role, so how can you people simple judge him to play on the midfield.

    There is a defender and there is a midfielder. So, just go for what there is. No need to go crazy, dreaming.
  • Rob, Montreal,Canada
    24/04/2008 22:14
    As goalie i think you can't say anyone except Ricardo.Central defense has a place guranteed for Carvalho,beside him it's whoever you like better but i feel safe with Alves.Rightback is a tossup between Miguel and Bosingwa both are great Ive seen some of you have suggested both of them together ,I dont know ,Scolari has never tried it maybe I'D go with J.Ribeiro or P.FERRIERA.Then we get to defensive mid i like M.Veloso with J.Moutinho and Deco infront of them,but this can always change depending on the team we face.I would use Meira and drop Moutinho or add Maniche or Mereiles,but i definately think Moutinho and Veloso need to play with Deco just because Deco needs a closer option and Moutinho is the best,he can pass great has a crazy shot from outside and he plays a little further back.Upfront C.Ronaldo on the right and Simao on the left just because Queresma or NANI look a lot better coming off the bench especially Nani.As striker i would start wih Almeida he has a great head and is strong but i would bring N.Gomes for leadership and Makukula and Djalo hey you never know he looks like he's getting hot at the right time.Please let me know what you think especially about the midfield your comments are much appreciated.FORCA PORTUGAL!!
  • Michael, artesia,ca USA
    24/04/2008 20:24
    G: Hilario
    D: Ferreira
    D: Carvalho
    D: Meira
    D: Bosingwa
    M: Tiago
    M: Maniche
    M: Deco
    M: Quaresma
    M: Nani
    F: Ronaldo
    Subs:
    Pepe, Veloso, Almeida, Fernandes,
    Miquel, Pele,
  • Fernando, Canada
    24/04/2008 17:41
    Some very interesting posts! I agree with many in that we need grit in the middle of the park to prevent counter-attacks when the likes of Ronaldo, Nani, Deco, Quaresma, etc. push forward.

    Here is my squad in a 4-5-1 formation:

    RB Boswinga
    CB Carvalho
    CB Pepe
    LB Miguel/Ribero
    RM Ronaldo
    CM Meira (Necessary for toughness in the Middle)
    CM Veloso
    CM Deco/Moutinho. Deco is almost fit again and I believe that he is determined to prove that he is, once again, the best "distributer" of the ball in the world. I agree
    that Maniche is a big tournament player, but we have to move on and develop our youth.
    LM Nani! I wouuld start him over Quaresma and Simao. He has had a tremendous impact at Man. United where he pracitices every day against some of the best players in the world. Yes, he is young, but in my view, he is already more consistent than Quaresma and Simao. Give him the valuable big tournament experience now. Consider what the big tournaments have done to Ronaldo's development.

    Striker I have to sit on the fence with this one. I would select the player who is in-form at the moment. I would be open to Gomes, Almeida or even Djalo.

    Forca!
  • Monah Dahrouj, Lebanon
    24/04/2008 16:10
    Nothing to say more than these 6 players are the best to show up with the portugal tshirt in the middle and the attack, Veloso and Moutinho represent both the typical center that can play for Portugal, and having Maniche in front of them will easily facilitate the mission of Quaresma and Cristiano to score or to assist Almeida to let hgim score
  • Orlandomac, Toronto, Canada
    24/04/2008 14:07
    Vdhazer, I must apologize I mistook u for one of those people who don't read and lack knowledge. U clearly aren't that. Your knowledge is exceptional, as I might add are quite a few gentlemen on here, and is why I love these boards.
    I can appreciate very much Alberto's ambitious comments, as that was my intention for this squad. I see a well developed gameplan for the next 10 to 14 yrs with some major trophies, as my friend PSousa has always stated this would be a huge coup for such a small nation, and he is too right.
    We have some very talented individuals and if we can unite them into a team format with a strong core we can climb that huge mountain. I won't comment on my defensive squad as it would ruin the next piece of the puzzle, but rest assured that I have created a stiff backbone to my squad and it starts here with Veloso and Meira as Defensive mids, I feel we lack that strength in the middle at the moment as evidenced in the last couple of matches. We can let the forwards run wild but we need solidity at the back for this system to work. I feel Veloso's greatest skill is soaking up pressure and outlaying great balls like Beckham did of course Becks was weak on D but a great passer of the ball. Meira would then solely back up the CB's so that our opponents are forced to the wings.
    Although many great lineups have been presented and I would be happy to start with many, but Scolari needs to be ready to mix it up to create the perfect mix as the tournie progresses.
  • Vdhazer, Aizawl, India
    24/04/2008 11:28
    Great, I really like your comments throughout Orlandomac. I have always read your articles you posted and I have to say you are very good.

    But you are not the only one who knows about where Fernando Meira used to play before. Yeah, it is true that he used to play as a defensive midfielder during his previous years as from your saying “Benfica.” Correct, your not wrong, but he was also on the defensive role way before Benfica. Tip: On these clubs Vitória SC, FC Felgueiras, and Vitória SC. Vitória SC. On what you say about his form against Finland was exceptional, yes it true.

    One thing I have to say again is not to disgrace Fernando Meira or anything, but I don’t think anybody have seen him having an impact history on this role.

    But as for his defensive reputation, he helps won the Bundesliga and we all seen his performance on the World Cup and other internation matches. I have to say he needs to be on the back line. It will be a blow if he is not on the back line. If you have to say there is Carvalho, Pepe, Alves, etc, let them be there..
  • Alberto, Lisbon
    24/04/2008 10:06
    Great comments guys. Nice ideas again Orlando. I have to say your team is very ambitious and don know if only Veloso and Meira in midfield will be enough for defence side of the play - but if it works that team would be sooooo exciting to watch.

    I can't wait for the tournament. Some people here in Portugal are very pesimistic about our chances but remember Greece won last time and who is better. Greece 2004 or Portugal 2008. I think we all know the anser! Força Portugal!!!
  • PSousaNJ,
    24/04/2008 01:06
    i like orlandos lineup for the most part with a few changes....heres mine.

    Gk:Patricio
    LB:Bosingwa
    CB:Pepe
    CB:Carvalho
    RB:Miguel
    DM:Meira
    Cm:Veloso
    CM:Moutinho/Deco depending on the team we are playing...
    RW:Quaresma
    LW:Ronaldo (these two would obviuosly interchange constantly)
    CF:Almeida
    Subs:
    ricardo
    p.ferreira
    Meireles
    Moutinho/Deco
    Nani
    Maka
    Only prob and i see it is a reserve Center Back which then again wont be a prob because Meira can always drop back veloso can slide into dm nd we have plenty of cm options on the bench....this to me is the most balanced lineup...with versatility everywhere speed at all 4 wide postions all 3 mids can defend and attack as well as supply...only questions are gk and fw....but what else is new....
  • Licinio Martins, Toronto, Canada
    23/04/2008 17:10
    GK Quim
    LB Bosingwa
    CB Carvalho
    CB Meira
    RB Miguel
    CM Tiago
    LW Simao
    RW Ronaldo
    AM Deco
    CF Nuno Gomes
    ST Almeida

    That's should be te starting 11 and tha should be the starting formation. But Portugal seems to hate playing with 2 forwards so that won't happen. We like to use the lonley striker tactic and pray for a miracle.

  • Orlandomac, Toronto, Canada
    23/04/2008 14:20
    Vdhazer here is the exact quote:

    "defensive anchor capacity I’ve selected Meira for this responsibility, as he demonstrated against Finland, he’s exceptional AT THIS ROLE WHICH HE USED TO PLAY FOR BENFICA."

    What I meant by that was that Meira used to be a defensive mid for Benfica, as in that is a position he has played before successfully.

    So when you ask by what means, I would say he should take that role, I would say his history of being dominant at that exact position.

    As for Figo joining the team, I would say only in Deco's role and even then I would rather have CR as I have stated before, the future beckons and it is bright no need for rehashes.. besides Andrade was injury prone and still is, he also had a few own goals and major mishaps, although individually very talented. We won't miss him with the new additions, although I grant you he was very talented, so are the new CB's. As for the strikers you gentlemen haven't even given the new guys a chance even tho their scoring record is decent, not to mention that the service has been poor, no where near target, and only produced when all the defenders were already back. This squad would do well to give some early balls to their striker and build the angles off of that, as it would create more openings for them on the wing.

    I think the focus should be on sharing the ball.. as it will create more space for the geniuses resulting in more goals and more wins.. which in the end could mean a trophy.
  • Vdhazer, Aizawl, India
    23/04/2008 13:09
    Of all my experience and knowledge I have to Portugal, this is what I have to say:

    I don’t know the reason why Fernando Meira should play as a defensive midfielder. Totally, I cannot agree to this. We all know is superb ability in the center back and yes, all of us have seen his outstanding form in the World Cup 2006 and helping Stuttgart to become the champion in the Bundesliga. So, by what means should he plays as a defensive midfielder.

    I have to agree to some of you that yes, I also find that Marco Caneira is TERRIBLE. I don’t want him to be on the squad for the tournament. There is the superb form fullback Boswingwa, as well as Miguel and Ribeiro. Now, Paulo Ferreira is not a very selective player this season.

    As for the youngsters, I have to strongly select the superb midfielder in the block Veloso. His defensive work in his few international matches is totally remarkable. And also, I cannot rule out the likes of Joao Moutinho and never ever Nani.
  • Paulo, London, England
    23/04/2008 12:37
    I heard a rumour recently that Figo would contemplate one last swansong for the Tugas at Euro 2008. Our midfield lacks experience, great young talent but no steel. I went to see the Portugal v Italy game and it was men against boys... Losing Andrade was a huge blow but Figo has got to be worth an approach to play half game at a time... beyond that I would play Veloso, Ronaldo, Quaresma and Deco... to be honest I don't think our problems are in the midfield... Portugal have struggled for a prolific out and out striker (and before anyone shouts the name Pauleta... name me a big side he has scored against in a game that had any meaning)... Portugal relies heavily on the midfield to score goals as opposed to creating goals. hence why I have put forward an attacking midfield. Come on Tugas!!!
  • jamakukula, Poland
    23/04/2008 09:55
    If Brazil and Italy are weak opponents you are right. quaresma has never played well against strong team

    I used to write that Ronaldo could play as a CF and some guys were laughing... 28 goals in 31 games ;)

    Quaresma-Ronaldo-Nani is right now the best choice and... the only one. Nuno is weaker than ever, Makukula doesn't play, Postiga no comment and Almeida is good for bench. Maybe Yannick should get a ticket?

    For sure Scolari must take Moutinho and Veloso and they should be in a starting-line. During Euro 2004 midfield was created by players from one team. Current Sporting can't be compared with Porto from 2003/2004 but i think that will be better solution that mixing players like deco, meireles, veloso or c. martins
  • paulo, Sydney
    23/04/2008 09:25
    our form with one striker sucks..
    we should select two strikers
    almeida & makakula/gomes
    & almeida works well with a partner
    ron & nani..wings...quaresma off bench
    nani is way more consistent with crosses & a way better shooter.
    agree with moutinho & veloso
    defense picks it self except dont pick alves...hes too clumsy & mistake prone.
  • stev!, Kerblakastan
    23/04/2008 05:28
    Just to add to the last comment. I'm pretty sure ronaldo has a good chance of playing on the wing.
  • stev!, Kerblakastan
    23/04/2008 05:27
    I'm pretty sure nuno gomes is our striker
  • Orlandomac, Toronto, Canada
    23/04/2008 01:26
    Thank you for the support gentlemen.. once again Albrto excellent post. I am quite happy with both our squads.

    As usual there is some very insightful responses that are brewing with passion. That is why it is so fun to come here to PortuGoal.net a place where the site owners actually care what we think.
    For the most part we can all agree this is a very talented squad and with the right leadership they can make some noise this year. They could also end up looking like a bunch of primadonas for lack of team play.
    I am glad the warmups to the tournament were against defensive teams who trouble the squads individualistic play. Since then I have seen different players at club level. CR has been passing more as the marking has gotten tougher, Nani as well has stood out by sharing, as well as many others. So I think it bodes well for this tournament as the biggest weakness up front is the individualistic play.
    Moutinho is a talented player but for me is too soft to win key balls, especially at a level where the players a bigger, faster, & stronger, I would play Deco over him but Scolari would do well to go with youth although his vision isn't for the next 10 yrs like some of ours is. His vision is this tournament only, so he will select a squad he feels will gte him the furtherest then tinker with it as the tournament progresses. If the squad wins then he won't change a thing, if it loses you can expect many changes. Portugal are notorious slow staters that Turkey will test.
  • matt, canada
    22/04/2008 20:50
    We have so many talented players that can prove they are worthy of playing, but the problem is who do we play ricardo quaresma has been playing in a disapointing manner so i don't think he should start on the left.Simao is are best choice because he is talented and has experience for club and country,but i wouldn't mind to see Nani in the role to he has proven that he can start and is good for the future.Moutinho and Veloso have proven to be starters and we should play them both.

    My Line Up for next Friendly and possibly Euro 2008 unless some players prove me wrong?

    ST:Hugo Almeida
    CAM:Deco
    LWM:Nani
    LCM:Veloso
    RCM:Moutinho
    RWM:C.Ronaldo(C)
    LB:P.Ferreira
    LCB:R.Carvalho
    RCB:F.Meira
    RB:Bosingwa
    GK:Quim

    2nd line up?

    ST:Djalo
    CAM:C.Ronaldo
    LWM:Nani
    LCM:Tiago
    RCM:Moutinho
    RWM:R.Quaresma
    LB:Abel
    LCB:Alves
    RCB:Carvalho
    RB:Miguel
    GK:Patricio

    Subs could include the following
    ST:Gomes
    ST:Postiga
    ST:Djalo
    M:Fernandes
    M:Simao
    M:Quaresma
    M:Tiago
    M:Duda
    M:Maniche
    M:C.Martins
    M:Carlitos
    D:Caneira
    D:Alves
    D:Miguel
    D:Abel
    D:Nelson
    D:Pepe
    GK:Ricardo
    GK:Patricio
    GK:Eduardo

    Players that have impressed me:
    Nelson
    Abel
    Djalo
    Duda
    C.Martins
    Quim
    Eduardo
    Postiga
    Tiago
    Pepe
    Carlitos

    and players we should give a try:
    Fernandes
    Abel
    Nelson
    Djalo!!!!!
    Eduardo!!!!
    Carlitos
  • Andre, NJ
    22/04/2008 20:28
    Great insight and ideas everyone. However, why has everyone decided to leave Miguel off the sqaud? Have we forgot how great of a player he in the back and creating quick counter-attacks (like Bosingwa)?

    That is the foundation of the team, getting the ball to the midfield and terrorizing defenses with quick passes, possession, and using the flanks.

    Here is my team in a 4-3-3 formation:
    Defense
    Bosingwa, Carvalho, Pepe, Miguel

    Midfield
    Veloso, Deco, Maniche

    Attacking:
    Nani and ronaldo on flanks

    Striker:
    Hugo Almedia

    Goalie:
    Daniel Fernandes

    Bench
    Moutinho, simao, alves, fernandes,gomes,meireles,Postiga
    Ribero,Meira,Tiago,Caniera,Quim.


    I do not like that Qauresma starts over Simao or Nani on the wings....he tries to showboat too much, has weak foot and does not perform well in big games. Please, please start Nani. Everytime Nani plays he draws excitement and energy from the players around him.

    Why leave Postigae out? He has a great foot, is not slow like almeida and gomes and saved our ass in euro 2004 with one of biggest goals in portugal history.

    Almeida should start, he plays for a big club in Germany werder bremen, knows how to score and go towards the goal ( unlike snail N. Gomes)and very good in the air.

    Goali- I think it's time for Ricardo to take a seat and let Quim or Daniel Fernandes take over.
  • ,
    22/04/2008 20:05
  • Vasco, Toronto
    22/04/2008 17:35
    I personally would have to give into admitting that Veloso does deserve a spot on the team. What he does in that midfield for Sporting is great. He's young and hungry and that's what's needed in your defensive midfielders. I'd have to pair him up with Maniche because the Inter man has so much experience at the national level. I agree with some of you, he's been a bit of a headcase since he left Porto (I think he's always been), but when he puts on that Seleccao jersy, he's a beast and we need that. Meira is a good chocie, but sometimes he scares me because if he has an off day, it can get ugly. A healthy Deco has my vote over Moutinho because I think Deco is just a better player for that position. I think Moutinho's game needs to mature some more before he can take Deco's place. As for Petit, leave him at home. He's too slow for today's game. Take Raul Meireles as a bench player. And, of course, Cristiano, Simao, Nani and Quaresma to round it out.
  • Larry, Rhode Island USA
    22/04/2008 16:03
    ok, heres How I see things re the lineup. Its going to put some of you readers in shock but heres what I would do re the squad for this years Euro 08.
    Goalie- 1st shocker....QUIM!!...its been a very fustrating watching the recent friendlies vs Italy and Greece to see Ricardo more like he's 90 years old. his troubles with Real Betis have shaken him, its time to give Quim a shot. He has been performing awesome for Benfica {its not his fault they are horrid, the whole team sucks!}.
    Defense - Boswinga, Carvalho, Pepe, and Bruno Alves . a massive rock solid defense. No worries here.
    Midfield- I agree with the majority of those out there who says start Mourtinho and Veloso along with Maniche. Veloso and . Deco can come of the bench w/ Fernado Meira and Raul Meredeis.
    Wings- no suprise here C Ronaldo {best player in the world} and Quaresma. have Nani and Simao the bench.
    Striker- here is my pick which will shock some of you and I'll tell you why....Yannick Djalo! thsi guy is amazing. Coming back form injury with Sporting he has been a monster!!, hes quick fast, strong, and to top it young!!. sure he doesnt have the experience but you must give the youth some trust. He has been lighting it up at Sporting and no doubts about his play with the under 21 team. Keep nuno Gomes, Makakula and Hugo Almedia on the bench, they too slow compared to Yannick. He will be the surpirse I think they need to call this guy up and give him a shot.
    thanks for reading!
    Forca Portugal!!!!!
  • Adam, Sydney, Australia
    22/04/2008 15:45
    Hey guys, your writing makes for interesting reading. I hope that Portugal, what ever the line up be, can go on to win the Euro 2008 Championships. My issues with the squad are:
    Portugal need to drop almeida who is absolutely poor! forget makakula as well. Ronaldo is a waste upfront as his creativity rips any midfield to shreds. He is deadly from deep. perhaps play simao upfront with ronaldo, maniche,deco,veloso, quaresma in the midfield and miguel,carvalho, meira and caneira with Ricardo in goals
  • Alex, Zurich
    22/04/2008 15:20
    Hi guys
    this would be my midfield: Veloso, Deco, Maniche considering Almeida, Ronaldo and Nani upfront.
    I decided to chose Maniche because he definetely is a tournament player. Deco is our most creative midfielder we've got and has experience to win these important upcoming games. Veloso is more of a defensive midfielder than Moutinho and in my eyes because of his great vision and versatility the better answer to our already very offensive formation. I would love to see Tiago as sub, but I doubt he will make the squad. Tiago at chelsea was for me the perfect def mid. I'm afraid Scolari will pick Meira as DM I never liked him and at the beginning of this season as DM and CB at Stuttgart he was horrible to say the least. Fernandes is at the moment in a decent form..I think we should give him another chance at least as a sub.
  • Marques,
    22/04/2008 13:41
    thanks for that guys it was an interesting read. i would go for a mix between the two. for me it is veloso, deco and moutinho. good energy, young legs with deco's experienced head. plenty of creativity too. tiago and maniche are the first choice backups for me. meira should play next to carvalho. i just don't like pepe.
  • David, NYC
    22/04/2008 12:03
    I would opt for a compromise between the 2 - Alberto's lineup with Meira replacing Maniche. I love Maniche, but Portugal has a history of giving up goals due to the gaps made by the attacking midfielders and fullbacks. Having a defense-minded stopper like Meira in the midfield makes sense to me. He could be our Gattuso.
  • Jose, London
    22/04/2008 11:34
    Like Alberto's midfield. Moutinho can be Deco for Portugal for lots of years. Very very good player. Hope he comes to my team in England - Arsenal!


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