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Monday, 21 May 2012 13:16

How Euro 2012 could cement Ronaldo’s standing as an all-time great

Portugal captain’s chance to answer detractors and change attitudes

RonaldoSelecção expert Nathan Motz argues that in spite of Ronaldo’s genius, the football world continues to underplay his accomplishments, especially when compared to Lionel Messi. “This tournament is crucial to how Ronaldo will be remembered as a player because of a variety of factors. If he plays like he’s capable of, I think it will change the tone of the discussion about him,” said Motz.
 
 
Around this time eight years ago, the elite members of the Selecção congregated together much like they are now, to prepare for the rigours of facing the world’s best in the European Championship. In their midst, a burgeoning talent and recently acquired member of Manchester United nervously awaited his first chance to shine on the international stage.
 
While Euro 2004 for many Portuguese represents “what could have been”, it also exposed to the world the prodigious ability of the most exceptional player Portugal has produced in decades. A synthesis of raw physical power and technical brilliance, Cristiano Ronaldo inaugurated in earnest his quest of becoming the finest player in the world that summer of 2004.
 

The Messi era?

Regardless of what you may think of Cristiano Ronaldo’s growing list of professional accomplishments since then, a terrifying realisation is beginning to dawn: for many people, Ronaldo is still just another very good footballer. When all is said and done, at the moment Ronaldo hangs up his boots for the last time, the frightening possibility exists that his legacy will be almost entirely obscured by one Lionel Messi. Ask anyone and they’ll probably tell you, “this is the age of Messi.” With the diminutive Argentine continuing to break records, and in part because of the bias that the press has shown Ronaldo over the years, his status as a legend of world football still hangs precariously in the balance.
 
Is this trivialisation of Ronaldo’s extraordinary talent and accomplishments fair? Not even remotely. But as the years go by, and even in the wake of Real Madrid’s amazing 2011/12 season in which they finally dethroned Messi’s Barcelona, it is becoming abundantly and painfully clear that many football pundits the world over are throwing together every argument imaginable to justify Messi’s crowning as the greatest player of all time, with hardly a second thought as to the status of Cristiano Ronaldo.
 
Much like Euro 2004 was the launching point for Ronaldo’s rise into the upper stratosphere of world football, so Euro 2012 may become the platform for him to conclusively establish his rightful place alongside the greatest players in the history of the game. While Messi and hosts Argentina slumped to an unmemorable quarter-final exit in the 2011 Copa America, in which Messi failed to score, Ronaldo has the opportunity to outstrip his arch rival by inspiring Portugal to their first ever major championship trophy.
 

Form of his life

He is coming off a truly astonishing season, even by his standards. Ronaldo’s 60 goals in all competitions spearheaded Real Madrid’s drive the La Liga championship and the narrowest of defeats in the Champions League semi-final. His incredible form has been mirrored for the Selecção, with Paulo Bento’s appointment to replace Carlos Queiroz coinciding with arguably his best performances in a Portugal shirt, as exemplified by his 7 goals in 8 qualifying games under the new coach.
 
It cannot be overestimated how important winning another Ballon d’Or is to securing his place amongst the all-time greats. It’s been four years since Ronaldo won the award, and adding a second this year is well within his grasp should he dazzle at Euro 2012. The tendency in modern football to glorify club play at the expense of the international game is well noted, but the approach of this tournament provides Ronaldo with a chance to show that he can also decide the outcome of games for his country, the one thing that Messi has yet to prove.
 
But there’s more. Even legendary players need assistance in claiming the titles and accolades that make them worthy of such prestige. Zinedine Zidane won the 1998 World Cup and the 2000 European Championship with Thierry Henry at his pomp, and the Brazilian Ronaldo was blessed to play alongside Rivaldo and Ronaldinho on their way to World Cup 2002 glory. Even Pele and Maradona didn’t exactly play with a bunch of scrubs. Portugal’s talent pool has been slowly drying up since the 2006 World Cup, and before long Ronaldo simply may not have the supporting cast around him to be able to compete for major championships. If Ronaldo fizzles next month in Ukraine and Portugal crash out early, it will likely mark the end of his opportunities to bring home a major championship trophy.

 

‘All style, no substance’ myth

The purpose of this exposition is not to bash Lionel Messi or to say that he hasn’t merited the distinction of being named the best player in the world for the last three years running. It is to lament the overwhelming tendency of the international football community to dismiss the achievements of Ronaldo by comparison. This tournament is so important for Ronaldo as a player some continue to claim is being “nothing more than a Portuguese David Beckham”, long on marketability but short on quality.
 
Ronaldo may never be able to convince the masses who are turned off the Madeiran by certain past episodes or a perceived arrogance that he believes himself superior to Messi, but on the grandest of stages, playing for his country in this momentous competition, Ronaldo can demonstrate that he is in a class all on his own, no matter what team he plays for. The Ballon d’Or, Euro 2012 glory, and the deserved recognition of being one of the greatest ever to play the game is all within Ronaldo’s grasp should he just reach out and seize the day this summer in Poland and Ukraine.
 
by Nathan Motz

Nathan will be PortuGOAL’s correspondent in Ukraine and Poland as part of our extensive coverage of the Seleccao’s participation at Euro 2012.

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Comments (66)
David w c scotland
66 Thursday, 07 June 2012 06:29
I agree completely with your post, iam a madrilista and a die hard Real fan and I also think Messi is by far a better player then Ronaldo and just because he finally scored a winner against Barca to secure us the title for La liga has not made me change my mind that Messi is the better player...for gods sake Messi has been killing us for years where as our Roni would go missing with his selfish play! A few years ago Marca a pro Real magazine had a poll on who was the better player and we ended up choosing Messi the winner by a large margin!
Oops, correction
65 Tuesday, 05 June 2012 05:23
*Portugal won't make the QFs and may finish bottom, not Holland. As you can see, my post was lengthy so a simple mistake at the end is hardly the end of the world.
Scotland
64 Tuesday, 05 June 2012 05:19
There's a lot of clueless people on here. The same few clowns keep defending Ronaldo so vigorously you would think he was their relative. That weirdo 'Voice of Reason' has the temerity to name himself that when his posts show he's the very antithesis of reason or logic one example being his extreme tribalism i.e. claiming that because Messi is Argentinean and they once eliminated England partly because of Maradona's Hand of God goal in 1986 (a year before Messi even existed) that that should somehow mean that they an English guy in 2012 should somehow have a bias against Messi. Guilt or blame by association? You call that being the 'Voice of Reason'? Troglodyte. I'd argue that comments like that are xenophobic in nature.

I hate the England team (not England the country, but their team and vile media) and loved that Portugal put them out in 2004 and 2006 and agree that their media's vilification of Ronaldo was atrocious. The difference between you lot and me though is that I am a fully-functioning adult who can separate the circumstances of one situation from that of another i.e. the fact that I feel Ronaldo was persecuted by the English media in 2006 doesn't somehow lead me to believe that this means there's a world conspiracy to favour Messi as a player due to non-footballing matters. The facts are that most of the world rates Messi as comfortably superior because, well, to any smart football fan (rules some of you out) he quite clearly is.

We do have that strange cult minority in this world though, who are infatuated with Ronaldo and defend him to the death. These people are to be pitied.

I always felt that English football fans by and large were ignorant of the game due to what I have seen and read, but the ignorant and petty comments here from Portuguese fans and their sympathisers are disappointing. I won't let it taint my view of all Portuguese/Portugal NT fans, and will assume this is an isolated site which attracts the very worst type of Portuguese fan. Most Portuguese people are friendly - they can't be held accountable for the odd Portuguese cretin who posts on here, or the Canadian and American glory-hunters who have attached themselves to Portugal because they're in love with Ronaldo.If I was using VoR's 'fantastic' logic of blaming people for their countymen's behaviour, then perhaps I would hold all Portuguese fans accountable.

Ronaldo will flop this summer, by the way, and Holland won't make the quarter-finals. Might even finish bottom of the group. Perhaps Portugal should concentrate on improving their sportsmanship on the pitch before getting too big for their boots.
Messi Ronaldo
63 Saturday, 02 June 2012 20:48
Ronaldo is always crap for us....useless!! And there are idiots who compare him to Messi....he is not half the player the midget is.......went missing yet again!
To Ian/London
62 Saturday, 26 May 2012 13:22
Yeah, you won in 1966, but for that you had to change the original venue, so that Portugal would have to make that extra-trip (laughingly justified with Wembley's "larger capacity"; yeah, because such things cannot be taken into account before the tournament starts).

I hope that if Portugal ever wins anything in international level, it does so with fair-play.
We have faith in you Ronaldo
61 Saturday, 26 May 2012 05:58
When I look at Cristiano Ronaldo I see brilliance. Even when he's having a bad day, that touch of genius is always there. In the words of Maradona, Eusebio and the late George Best. He will be remembered as one of the greatest players of all time. Like him or not you Brits, Dutch or whoever we beat in the last tournaments repeatedly. You can never take that away from the guy who basically put Madeira on the map.
A lot of pressure will be put on his shoulders once again. You will see him triple marked on that pitch and dirty tackled all over but I believe his time has come to show not only to Europe but also to the world what he's capable of. We have faith in you Ronaldo.
england
60 Friday, 25 May 2012 22:25
yea u won in 66 and now every time u play Portugal we knock u out for a big country England cant do anything and cant produce like Portugal i guess that's why you support messi :)
I also need an explanation..
59 Friday, 25 May 2012 21:26
Yes its true that Portugal hasn't won anything at the world stage, yet. But I need an explanation from you. Why is it that the "favourites" England always choke? Hey say all you want about Portugal, but atleast we have made all the recent tournaments. Can't say the same about England though.. Where were you guys during Euro 2008? ;)
@Ian
58 Friday, 25 May 2012 20:35
Yeah and who was the President of FIFA at the time? Those world cups were fixed. Do your research.
Gary,Johnny,Rui the 3 stooges
57 Friday, 25 May 2012 17:24
We won the 1966 WC....you still havent told me what Portugal has won...waiting....zzzzz zzzzzz
to gary
56 Friday, 25 May 2012 10:11
btw portugal would have won that cup if eusebios goal was not disallowed mysteriously may be the english know what happened lol
LOL at all the English!
55 Friday, 25 May 2012 01:13
Winning the U20 world cup doesn't make Messi any better than Ronaldo. Someone else said earlier, Figo, Rui Costa, Joao Pinto all won the U20 world cup, but that doesn't make them great.. Hey, its fine that Portugal hasn't won anything yet. But what I fine some funny and embrassing for you English is that, you guys are favourites in EVERY SINGLE tournament entered. And what happens? You guys CHOKE :) What's also even more hilarious, is that PORTUGAL has continued to knock you "contenders" out of the Euros and World Cup, and also your boy Ronaldo sent England, and your golden boy Rooney, home.. LOL! I pray that Portugal and England meet this year, I would love for my country to send the wanna be contenders home once again :) have fun with you 1 world cup. Its the only one you English will ever have. :)
Messi Ronaldo
54 Thursday, 24 May 2012 23:55
I think Messi is the better player but Ronaldo is also great I think the reason most people prefer Messi is because in the last 3 years Barcelona has beaten Real 9 out of their 12 matches and because Ronaldo comes off to arrogant if Ronaldo would calm his arrogance he would get more respect...both are great though!
Messi Ronaldo
53 Thursday, 24 May 2012 23:40
I think Messi is the better player but Ronaldo is also great I think the reason most people prefer Messi is because in the last 3 years Barcelona has beaten Real 9 out of their 12 matches and because Ronaldo comes off to arrogant if Ronaldo would calm his arrogance he would get more respect...both are great though!
Confused
52 Thursday, 24 May 2012 23:09
Is Cristiano 27 or is he 37. With the way some folks are talking you would think he is an old old man who is broken down. Figo came closest when he was 32 and 34 respectably in 04 and 06 (2000 euros as well ). Point is CR has time. Is he in his peak sure so this would be best time. But it isn't as if this is his last ever chance.

@Ian. You remind me of my 12 yr old, always trying to get last word in. This repetitive use of lmao. It must be that inferiority complex the BRits have. No need to remind you that Portugal have bent the English over their knee the past decade not only country but clubs as well.

FOr the guy taking issue with the bashing of a whole country. Well welcome to 2012 and this thing we call the internet. We live in times where people get off on hate as you can see by some of my last examples about us owning the englisnand small complex. YOu have couple of people start mouthing off about POrtugal therefore you get it back 10 Fold.
Nathan's Article
51 Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:00
Nathan, I would agree with you that this just might be Ronaldo's last chance to silence the nay-sayers. I personally prefer Ronald over Messi, and to say that Messi is the best in the world is arguable. Time will tell. Both have very different styles. The truth of the matter is that if Messi were on ANY other team, he would not have done what he has. Whereas Ronaldo has proven himself on 2 major teams in two major leagues. That said, Messi ddeserves all the credit in te world. As for Ronaldo's last chance, you are probably right. In my estimate, he is probably at the peak of his career. I just don't see him getting any better. So yes, this is probably it. Let's hope he can get it done. But it will be a collosal challenge for Portugal to come out of the group.

Charles Dawn
euros
50 Thursday, 24 May 2012 21:27
Olympics and U-20 WC might be small but thats two more cups then Cristina has ever won!!! I could picture Jhonny ,Gary, Rui going bonkers after reading this lmao By the way you are right I hate Maradona he was a cheating knob but he was still one of the best ever and most Brits will tell you the same!! Btw what has Portugal won? Please tell me? Ha ha ha cant wait for your response!!
euros
49 Thursday, 24 May 2012 21:20
Well iam english and I love Ronaldo but personally think Messi is a better player..i dont see the need to bring down an entire country because some of us prefer Messi...bloody christ we are talking about footy no reason to be so sensetive you would think Ronaldo is the only thing you got going the way you lot start getting all sensetive!
to ian london
48 Thursday, 24 May 2012 20:40
thats what u messi fanboys do become abusive when u dont have any argument its a fact that messi has been a clossal disaster for argentine national team theres no hiding from it pele and maradona who have done so much for their nt must be disgusted will all the comparisons.
LOL @ all the English!
47 Thursday, 24 May 2012 20:36
You guys should be more worried about actually having a english player contend for the Balon D' Or... But we all know that will NEVER happen. ;)
@ Ian / London
46 Thursday, 24 May 2012 20:10
hmmmm

so we are clowns for standing up for one of our own?

How pathetic is it for an Englishman to be supporting and trumpeting the likes of an Argentinian? What's the matter Ian? too young to remember the hand of god goal? or are you just blinded by hate of greatness (Ronaldo?) - he went to your league and dominated...ManU has never been the same without him...neither has the Premiership.

Ian are you just another chap from England that hates the fact his country can't produce the prodigious talents that a small country like Portugal has?

Eusebio . Charlton

Figo > Beckham

Ronaldo > Rooney, Gerrard, Fat Frank or anyone else on yoru team.

The only clown here is you buddy.
Response
45 Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:41
(Ian/london) "Messi 3 Ballon D'Ors in a row and a 4th in january.....Nuff said!! Lmao at how the same 3 clowns are protecting Cristiano!!!"

In 2010, Wesley Sneijder won the Champions league with Inter and made it to the World Cup final with Holland. Not even nominated. That's a classic example of how much these awards mean.

I think the problem with English football fans is that they know their team is overrated and full of Adulterers/Racists/Egotists so they like to play down everyone elses chances.
Portuguese press should need to do more
44 Thursday, 24 May 2012 17:21
I think that its ridiculous that the Portuguese media have not done enough to counter the anti Ronaldo sentiments from the English press! The English will always hate him no matter what he deos, more so because he isnt one of their own and was able to conquer their league and La liga!
ronnie
43 Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:48
Messi 3 Ballon D'Ors in a row and a 4th in january.....Nuff said!! Lmao at how the same 3 clowns are protecting Cristiano!!!
ronaldo.....messi
42 Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:16
Messi>Ronaldo (Brazil)......C Ronaldo=puto!
David Gibson
41 Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:20
That just proves my argument even with so may different managers of high calibre and different players messi has failed to deliver thatv means he will never be a success with the nt regardless of who plays with him
@ Barry from Manchester
40 Thursday, 24 May 2012 12:09
Hey "Mate"

You are absolutely correct about those "little" guys playing well - with the exception of that head case Tevez who didn't play a good portion of the season - what did all those liltte guys have in common? Come on "Mate" - think hard...

They all wore down as the season went on - Silva was outstanding up until December, then his play tailed off significantly due to fatigue...same for Mata.

Messi isn't physically strong enough to withstand the rigors of a full EPL season (and all the other cup commitments it entails) and produce at the rate he does in Spain. Just saying
@ David
39 Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:50
Goes to show you how much Messi and Argentina just can't get the job done. ;)
2 Cups?
38 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:22
How come we don't brag about Figo, Rui Costa and etc. about U-20 Youth World Cups? Because senior level is where it's at where the best play the best. Messi fans should have nothing to brag about really.
jonny
37 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:17
Hey genius name me the midfielders and defenders Messi has played with in the Argentine nt? Did you know that he has played with over 130 different players in the last 4 years in the Argentine national team?Also 4 different managers in the last 5 years? Do you think all the changes could affect your performance? How old are you son?
LOL!
36 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:46
They've proved they can play in the EPL, but Messi is too frightened to move there. He even stated himself that he will never move to the EPL. I wonder why? If he's so "Great" why won't he test his skills there or any other league? Like you said, Tevez, aguero, silva have all gone to the EPL and have succeeded. Why won't Messi go? Deep down he knows he can't handle the physical play of the EPL. When he moves out of La Liga and tests his skills in a different league, then I might change my views on the weakling. :)
To David Gibson
35 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:39
Lol mate ur blaming the defenders and midfielders of arg who are all top class for messis failure just admit it messi has been disgrace for his nt even arg press was accusing him of being more barca than argy
Ronaldo euros 12
34 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:55
To Gary: Your point is ridiculous mate just look at Silva,Aguero,Mata,Tevez they are all little lads and they did great in the PL are you insinuating they are better then Messi? They are all about the same size mate!!
Ronaldo
33 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:39
I agree with Ian you go ask people all round the planet all say Messi is the messiah!! Messi best!! Ronnie good though!
My mistake.
32 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 15:45
Correct, he did score against Arsenal and also Manchester United. Still, I would love to see the weakling play in the EPL and still put up the numbers he does now with Barca. Guaranteed that he wouldn't score as much as he is now, and would probably be injured more often than actually being fit! :) Peter is another one of those guys that love Messi, more than they love themselves :)
Ronaldo
31 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:14
Eusebio>Messi>Maradona>Zidane>Cruyff>Zidane>Ronaldo(brazil)>C Ronaldo...........Portugal 2012 euro champions!
both greats
30 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:52
Here in the middle east and asia most consider both greats. The hv different styles. Messi hasnt done much for argentina and we have to see with the pep era ending n some aged barca stars how messi performance continues in future.

CR is a player whose played in 3 diffrent leagues of europe. having played in diff countries, diff players and under diff coaches. Was a star in epl n now in la liga.
Ronaldo
29 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:27
People keep mentioning how Messi fails with Argentina when he has great players like Aguero, Haugain,Tevez etc but Argentinas problem is they have no quality defenders and no creative midfielders thus forcing Messi to play more of the provider role....both Cristiano and Messi are incredible I personally think Messi is the better player....remember that Ronaldo has the height and physical talent yet this little 5'7" genius is doing the same things with pure talent. I agree that Ronaldo can do certain things like heading and taking free kicks better then Messi but I just saw a shocking statistic Messi scored 3 goals this year with Barca on free kicks with Ronnie only scoring 2 for Real... yet Ronnie took over 40 more chances
Ronaldo's fan
28 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:08
Everybody knows in the Far East who is the complete player in the world and that's Cristiano and Messi is a FIFA boy winning Balon d' Or, goalless in the world cup 2010, no CL (won by Inter) and won by popularity votes instead of merits LOL!
Agree with Gary
27 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 12:39
totally agreed bro u20 and olympics are mickey mouse cups no one cares about ron guided portugal to euro 2004 final and has been good for national team with a much poorer bunch of teammates while messi has all the world stars like aguero and tevez and still cannot achieve anything of substance! ron has played in epl and trust me messi would be blown away in that league hes not versatile enough!
The dye has been cast Nathan
26 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 12:38
Nathan, normally I agree with you on things on this site.

This may be one of the few times where I disagree - particularly when it comes to how the perception of Ronaldo could change with success at the Euro.

We are on an English language site discussing Portuguese football - most, if not all the information we read is generated by the English press (UK). The British press has never forgiven Ronaldo for 2006 - how these clowns could think that a 21 year old kid had enough pull in an international tournament to get their boy Rooney sent off is beyond me

But the fact remains that since that incident - Ronaldo has been portrayed as "the evil one". They have gone out of their way to vilify him - when Messi came on the scene, he was anointed the Golden Child, they made him the "good guy" to Ronaldo's "evil one".

Ronaldo will never get his due, mainly because the country that produces the written content that we (and really, most of the world reads) will never forgive him.

The discussion becomes truly laughable when trolls like Arturo from Espana come on here talking about Madrid supporters but giving it up to Messi.

A pointless discussion to be sure.

Ronaldo is our boy - we shouldn't be looking for confirmation from the rest of the world on whether or not he is the best - after watching his career progression, it is pretty clear that he is in a class by himself. We don't need to compare him to Messi, and certainly not comparing him to Beckham.

That's it - from this seleccao expert.
Euros 2012 Ronaldo
25 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:32
Gary you clown Messi scored 4 goals vs Arsenal in the CL in one game...and did you forget he scored against Manchester United in both CL finals? He seems to handle playing against teams from other leagues pretty well btw considering he has been the CL leading scorer the last 4 years! Ronaldo is awesome but Messi is on another level! Messi all the way you haters!!
Both Great
24 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:12
Frankly I feel that everyone looks foolish in trying to down play the greatness of Messi or Ronaldo. Both will have their critics, but to say that either is overrated if ridiculous.

I for one prefer Cristiano due to his size and versatility. He has proven to fit into different systems within a club. He's good in the air, good with the all and good with off the ball movement. He's also blown away records when a team is working for him, in England and Spain.
If you watch his games, defenses never lose sight of him. They have always drifted players, as many as three, to his side with or without the ball. Yet he still creates or scores for his team.
People still look back at how he was a diver. People also tend to forget that he has been taught, by SAF, that he should always protect his feet/legs and go down to avoid injury. Yes he went down easy, but in many cases it was him lifting his legs for protection. It just looked bad.

Messi has played in the best club in the world. He's a tremendous player and is terrific in his off the ball movement. He's very good in tight spaces. He's an amazing player to watch.

You can say that both have failed in Int'l competitions. Whether its teammates, coaches or tactics it's up for debate. Argentina has had tremendous squads, so maybe it's even more of a glaring failure for Messi.

What I have found interesting is that Cristiano has always been praised by teammates and managers on how much work he puts in. He's the first one in and the last one out in training. Even Real players were surprised at how much he really worked at his craft.
You never hear that about Messi. Yet it's Cristiano that is thought of as the "raw" god given talent, and Messi as the "little guy" that could.
I would also like to point out that Mascherano had to go tell Messi to go hug Pep after he scored his 4th goal on Pe's last league match. Messi's excuse that he was always going to go and dedicate it to him was kind of hollow since how did he know he would have scored 4 goals. He also didn't attend Pep's press conference announcing his departure.
I don't know how that's played out in Spain, but the Int'l press has ignored it.

Like I've said. When I meet someone and they criticize Cristiano, I tend to laugh. For all intent and purposes, they sound stupid. I admit that people who do the same for Messi aren't any brighter.
We should be thrilled to being able to watch to incredible talents. Best of all they've both played in tremendous clubs that. Played incredibly huge matches.
LOL Jimmy!
23 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 07:38
What "2 cups" has Messi won? An under 20 world cup? An Olimpic gold medal? Please, the only reason he's won all 3 balon D' or is because of everyone's bias towards Messi. In the EPL, the bundesliga, the serie A, the weakling would vanish. Wonder why Messi stated he will never go and play at the EPL? Because the weakling knows he would get man handled by every team. Another thing. Has Messi even scored against an ENGLISH team yet!? Hmmmmm.... Let him play it safe and stay in La Liga. Atleast Ronaldo is brave enough. But when Messi wins a world cup, or even a copa america, then, and only then, may I change my view on the midget.
Ronaldo
22 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 06:29
Only in Portugal do they think Ronaldo is better then Messi...the rest of the world knows better! Lmao....delutional indeed!!
Ronaldo Media Bias
21 Wednesday, 23 May 2012 05:24
The media is definitely always out to get CR and make headlines in the process. There are so many times where I see him give an interview in Portuguese or Spanish and then am amazed at the way it gets translated into English. They always make him sound more cocky and often take things that he says with humor and print it as serious.
@Rui Miguel
20 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 23:01
What is your reason for taking cheap shots at Simão and Tiago? No one had mentioned their names.. nevermind said that they were world class. If you ask me. Simão was one of the most effective wingers for Portugal.. more productive than C.Ronaldo or Quaresma and he didnt need the step overs or trivelas to do it.. Go watch some Portugal matches from 2006.. when Portugal had that smooth passing game. The lovely 1,2s played between Deco, Figo, Miguel..Simao he was all part of that. We've never shown that level of skill since and though Tiago wasnt too special, he had that raw passing talent that fit into our system.
Thoughts
19 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:47
First for the guy who says Messi won u-20 and Olympics those are childs play, junior tounements. What has he done at the senior level. (Also Messi played at junior level longer than Ronaldo) What is less than nothing because thats what he has done for Argentina on the senior level. And thats with Tevez, Higuian, Milito, Aguero. And he plays with a 2nd striker wheres CR7 has only played in 1 striker system with Portugal and Postiga and Almeida arent even close in quality to strikers Aregentina has at their disposal.

As for this he has to Win a Major trophy or really carry Portugal to step above Messi. IMO the media will always be negative toward him, always have a bias for Messi. I'll even take it a step further and say outside Portuguese media Portuguese people in general are looked at poorly whether it be English media or Spanish (at times)

Its funny this thing about the golden generation specifically the Great Luis Figo and Rui Costa We all love to kiss their ass but yet they were part of .the biggest embarrsement to this day. 2002 WC we get taken to the wood shed by the states, and then out to bed by South Korea and then the whole Joao Pinto incident. Also 1998 even though Portugal did get screwed in that German game where there was clear favortism for the Germans.

So lets see Figo and co. didnt qualify for World Cup 98, fast forward 2002 World Cup and they can't make it out of one of the easier groups, but yet Figo is the gold standard. Ronaldo since he first featuered in summer of 04 has NEVER been part of a Portugal squad that didnt qualify for a major tourney, and he CR7 has never been ousted at the group stage(Hopefully that stat continues come June). He plays whether people want to admit it to themselves or not with a squad with besides himself with at best 3, probly only 2 other world class players. I would say Coentrao, Nani and perhaps Pepe. Now yes Moutinho, Meirless, Veloso, Alves those are good to above average players and their not even all above average.

People need to temper their expecations a bit I think Cristiano for me is hands down best player, freakish athlete, pace, TWO FOOTED, can score tap ins, long range shots, his ability to rise above defenders off corners and set peices deadly. And if people havent noticed he is a more complete player his assists for both Madrid and Portugal have risen under Mou and Bento. I thank God that Cristiano is Portuguese and plays for our side because if he was an opposing player on another squad he would give me nightmares with all the possible damage he could do.

Lastly great article Nathan, good read and you always have good insight on the NT. Keep up good work. On my list CR has already passed Figo. There is only 1 above him IMO and thats Eusebio. But if Cristiano can get 1 international trophy without a doubt greatest Portuguese footballer, he might already be best Portuguese
RONALDO PURE RAW talent
18 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:36
This man is pure talent, no matter what many of U say that he has to prove this or prove that, THE man is unbelievable and no matter what all of U haters compare him with or against THERE IS NO ONE like him around now nor for the next 10 yrs. Different leagues, amazing results. Let's us enjoy this great footballer cause if u know anything about football, this man has pure raw tallent that cant be reproduced, HE IS EXTREMELY valuable to any squad. ASK MAN U if they miss him and his 42 goal season, go ask Real. DAY in day out this man performs, matter of fact he is more like a machine that human. MOST FAULED PLAYER 3 yrs running and still makin a killing in front of net. THIS lad is unreal congrats to portugal and my portuguese friends.
Euros 2012 Ronaldo
17 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:20
Iam a die hard Real Madrid fan and the reason Barcelona has been killing us the last 3 years is Messi even when he doesnt score he creates an amazing assist to beat us! We tend to forget that we beat them once in the 4 matches this year...there was a poll by Marca (pro RM btw) on who was a better player 2 years ago between Ron and Messi and guess who won? Messi won!! Even los madrilistas know Messi is a better player!I hate that he kills us but we cant hate Messis genius!!! Hala Madrid!!
Euros 2012 Ronaldo
16 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:02
Its obvious this is pro portugal and Ronaldo site but to say Messi does nothing with argentina when he won 2 cups and when Ronaldo actually has similar amounts of goals with his national side its ridiculous! Only this lot would say that...but the rest of the world has awarded him 3 balon d'ors in a row and he will get his 4 th in january!Lets not forget Messi at 24 already won 3 CL trophies so keep on loving your boy Ronaldo cause he will always finish second best!
Messi
15 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:22
The reason why Messi scored so many goals this year was because for most of the season he was the only pure striker with Villa going down. He played along side Sanchez for most of the season who isn't a pure striker and in my opinion doesn't belong in a possession-based 4-4-2 system.

Don't believe me? When I was watching the CL semi-finals against Chelsea I heard the commentator say that Sanchez had only assisted on ONE of Messi's goals. How do you play alongside one of the most proflific scorer's in history and not assist on one of his goals. Something to think about alright!
More on Ronaldo
14 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:16
First I think at 27, Ronaldo is at an age where most players come into their own on the international level. I think Mourinho has been good for him and its time for him to be a leader like Figo became during the 2000 Euros.

It does seem that Bento is getting the most out of Ronaldo right now. But in order to make it count we really need someone who will score goals at the striker position. Postiga/Almeida are good options but I think of some of the strikers that our opponents will have, i.e.Huntelaar, Von Persie, Gomez, even Podolski. Maybe Oliveira is the answer but he's only 20 years old.

I think it's a little unfair when people say that Ronaldo has been disappointing on the world stage. He doesn't score a goal a game like with Real but few goal scorer's numbers are as good as club level, because the competition is often tougher. Especially when your competition is mainly European. Plus, Ronaldo is more a winger with Portugal. So, he isn't suppose to score all the time.

I think after 2006 until recently, Ronaldo endured tough times with Portugal because of several reasons. Carlos Queiroz's system was too defensive minded. A little bad luck too at the 2008 Euros, meeting Germany early. And 2010 WC with a tough group and a defensive minded system again. Lastly, a general decline in talent with Pauleta, Figo retiring. Let's face it Simao and Tiago weren't world class talents.

At the same time, I think he has to have a good tournament to solidify himself as one of the great players of all time which is what he is. No one is a greater combination of skill, physical strength and goal scoring touch as he is. A truly complete modern player.
CR7 is truely the best
13 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:31
Put aside all his accomplishments and achievements, there is absolutely no denying, Cristiano Ronaldo is the most exciting and electrifying athlete I have ever seen, bar none. In my honest opinion, Lionel Messi doesn't have this, its something that can't be learned or taught. CR7 the most complete player.
Overrated messi
12 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:46
Messi is highly overrated imo he has done nothung for his national team with much better teammates that ron will ever have...olympics and u20 lol sont make me laugh.
Ronaldo
11 Tuesday, 22 May 2012 01:32
Good points in your article Nathan. It is really shame that Ronaldo hasn't been given more credit by fans and media pundits. If it were not for Messi, I think Ronaldo would be the indisputable best player in the world at this moment. The stats between Lio and himself are nearly identical and this season actually stepped up in the games that mattered.

He scored the winning goal in the second La Liga defining Clasico, he set up the away goal in Munich and scored both in Madrid to lead his team to victory in the second game, before the unfortunate penalty shoot outs (as good as a coin toss...). He was the leader of the 1st Real Madrid team to reach 100 points and beat Barcelona by NINE points (a gap bigger than the gap between barcelona and real in the two years barca won previously) and as mentioned he has been stepping up for Portugal as well.

Unfortunately for Ronaldo, Messi also broke the european scoring record this season, however Ronaldo was very close behind in the pichichi race and CL goals tally (were it not for Messi's 5 goal game against an uninspired Leverkusen they would have had about the same amount of goals in the CL- Ronaldo finished with only 4 less in the CL...).

To me, it seems clear that many people write off Ronaldo simply because they don't like his "arrogance," or his "diving," or his image. I can't recall the last time Ronaldo dove in a game and that to me is one of the most annoying myths that doesn't seem to go away. Messi broke the European scoring record this season, a massive accomplishment, but Ronaldo was very close statistically and actually won something, whereas Messi hasn't won anything. Barca may go on to win the Copa Del Ray, but I would give the player of the year award to Ronaldo simply because he played better than Messi in the big games this season, won a major title, and was not far behind in the goals tally.

Ronaldo has a great opportunity to shine in the Euros and I believe he will finally make fans of the Portuguese National Team proud of his performance for the country.
Nonsense about Ronaldo
10 Monday, 21 May 2012 23:19
Firstly i want to say that i dont understand how people say Ronaldo needs to win atleast 2 world cups with Portugal to be as good as him or that Real Madrid needs to beat Barca for Ronaldo to be better than Messi, its about the individual not the team, Pele didnt just win the 3 world cups the whole Brazil team did it makes no sense to bring up what the team has accomplished, it's like saying 'never in a million years can the best player in the world come from Romania because they will never win anything' that makes no sense at all.

Someone already touched on this but i find it to be complete crap that when Messi wins La Liga and Ronaldo is top scorer he doesnt win the balon d'or yet Ronaldo now does the complete opposite and there is still a chance he wont get it again it makes not sense! Plus Ronaldo is a winger not a striker it should play even more in his favour!

I hate what the press has done to him he is a legend in a skill sense and in a personality sense because he doesnt give up and he doesnt know how to quit, i would love for everyone i know to be lie that.
Messi and Ronaldo
9 Monday, 21 May 2012 21:06
"Messi won an Olympic Gold and a U-20 World Cup with Argentina so he has won something with Argentina whereas Ronaldo has won nothing with Portugal!"

True but it\s not like those tournaments matter much. Argentina and Brazil always do well in them because most of their best young players play regularly in their domestic leagues. Ronaldo has been to a Euro Cup final and a WC semi-final. Advantage=Still Ronaldo
Euros 2012:Ronaldos shot at greatness
8 Monday, 21 May 2012 19:26
Pele actually played in one world cup that he actually won on the other two wc finals he was injured but was part of the team...so he was not playing but on the bench when Brazil won two of their World Cup titles....btw Messi won an Olympic Gold and a U-20 World Cup with Argentina so he has won something with Argentina whereas Ronaldo has won nothing with Portugal!
Good Article
7 Monday, 21 May 2012 18:00
Same thing happened to Eusébio. While Pele did more for the national team, Eusébio was clearly the better club player and greater career, however it's rare to hear the main stream media reference Eusébio when they talk about past greats of the game. Even silly footie games that put in classic players never put it Eusébio.

If Ronaldo does not win anything with the national team, I expect 30 years from now when I have grand kids, they will only hear of Ronaldo from Portuguese references, outside of that it will be Messi.

I feel that people have been too harsh on Ronaldo and he is one of the top players. If he is to finally put an end to this Messi talk, he needs to ensure that Real continue to win La Liga and eventual get the CL with Real. Throw in a title with Portugal and it will be known as the Ronaldo era. He did the right think by going to La Liga since if he can continue to win at Real, Messi's hype will go down.
Some points
6 Monday, 21 May 2012 17:49
First off, in my opinion neither CR7 nor Messi can be compared to Pele or Maradona just yet. Pele won 3 World Cups (who else even has two?)..while Maradona in 1986 gave the greatest individual performance ever seen on the biggest stage of all. Both CR7 and Messi are young and still have many years to come...but until they do something similar...Im sorry Pele and Maradona remain the two greatest of all time...in my opinion at least.

CR7 at least has done something at major international tournaments... Messi has been a major disapointment and until that changes there is no way he can be considered the best of all time. Messi's arguably been playing for a better Argentina national side than Maradona did ...and Diego almost single-handly won them the WC in 86 (as well as 2 scudettos for Napoli, the only 2 in their history!)...so still no real comparison in my book...not yet anyway!

In terms of the Euros coming up, while I think we will need CR7 to be at his very best for us to even get out of this tough group (not even to mention winning it)...i also think it's important not to be too reliant on him. The key is to play as a team, everyone doing their part...and if we can do that then i am confident we can get out of the group, and from the quarter-finals then anything is possible. Bento knows this and this is what he is trying to impose on the team...individual brilliance helps a lot of course...but teamwork is everything in the end!
CR
5 Monday, 21 May 2012 17:26
He is 27 years old and this is the year he must prove himself and shine on the international stage. He is at the peak of his career but he will be remembered regardless as one of Portugal's golden superstars and for conquering the EPL and La Liga. Messi has only proved to fit Barcas system. Even with Higuain, Tevez, Di Maria, and Aguero.. he rarely shows up for Argentina so I don't know why he's so overhyped plus Messi is a striker and CR a winger. Two different players who shouldnt be compared.
Well...
4 Monday, 21 May 2012 16:47
Bobby he is the best Portuguese footballer ever I agree, but really? Better than Maradona? Pele, no.

It is very early in his carear and the best is yet to come from Ronaldo. its unfortunate he lives in the "age of Messi" but many atheletes go through this (Federer-Nadal-Djocovic). Its up to Ronaldo how he handles this.

Yes there is an underlying angry slant in the media towards Ronaldo, as opposed to the darling Messi (who can do no wrong). Would winning the Euro make Ronaldo be taken in a more serious light? YES. Will winning the Euro change the perception of Ronaldo (as Jon put it best) NO i dont think so.

Roanldo is a remarkable talent and he needs to present himself on the international stage as a force. I hope he can this time around, because as the article illustrates very well, the talent pool is drying up and he has a 2-4 year window before Nani and Coentrao start showing the slow down signs....

Ronaldo beats Messi in the yearly stats but doesnt win the league title he gets not Balon D'or. This year he wins the league but doesnt beat Messi in stats and he still wont get the Balon D'or. Ronaldo cant win with all this against him.
Cristiano Ronaldo is already a Legend
3 Monday, 21 May 2012 16:20
Cristiano Ronaldo is a Legend..The highest scoring winger the game has seen end of. Pure hybrid player who does about anything when Cristiano wants. Speed, Skill, Strength, Scores all types of goals, hes got it. Beat George Best's goal scoring record of 32 or 33 in a season as a winger, when he scored 42 goals in United's champions league winning season. He then became the first United player to win the Balon D'or in 40 years after Legendary George Best who's considered the best British player that has been. Yes that's Legendary status already. Now Real Madrid, hes broken all goal scoring records for Real Madrid..Still a lot more to come from him...Now for Portugal I would say hes been one of the best for Portugal, but to me still behind the likes of Eusebio and Luis Figo in terms of making a truly big impact on the international stage, but he will go down as the best Portuguese player ever! If he continues the way hes going, hes still got time on his side!
100 % right!
2 Monday, 21 May 2012 15:50
Nathan, I completely agree with what you wrote in this article. I actually think that Messi deserves much of the praise he gets since he is a spectacular player. However, all the "best ever" claims are extremely premature. The problem is that many soccer fans and pundits do label Ronaldo as just another great footballer, and I fear that he will always live under Messi's shadow.

Cristiano Ronaldo is, as you mentioned, a perfect hybrid of athleticism and technique. He is arguably the greatest goal scorer of all time, and he's a winger. He's got super-human speed and athleticism, fantastic technical ability, and the ability to score a wide variety of spectacular goals from almost anywhere on the pitch. At his best, he can be even more unplayable than Messi.

Sadly, as you mentioned, his reputation as an arrogant, selfish, immature diver will likely follow him for the rest of his career. Every mistake he makes will be heavily scrutinized by the media, while Messi's mistakes and failures will be swept under the rug.

Cristiano Ronaldo needs to step up for Portugal this summer if he wants to prove his undeniable quality to the world. If Ronaldo can lead Portugal out of the group of death and even win the tournament, he will finally get the praise he deserves.
Ronaldo is the greatest anyway
1 Monday, 21 May 2012 15:31
I think the writer is taking up an anti-Ronaldo position by acknowledging the ridiculous criticisms of Ronaldo. For me, he has already surpassed Eusebio as the best footballer from Portugal ever and to be honest I think he is better than Maradona and Pelé too.

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