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Monday, 03 September 2012 16:35

Zenit Saint Petersburg buy Hulk and Witsel

Russian club pay huge transfer fees for Porto and Benfica stars

HulkAn astonishing afternoon of transfer activity unfolded in Portugal today, as FC Porto forward Hulk and Benfica midfielder Axel Witsel were bought by Zenit Saint Petersburg. Both clubs are to receive €40 million euros in exchange for their prize asset. The Russian club paid more for Hulk, but Porto owned only 85% of his rights.


When the summer transfer window in Western Europe shut at midnight last Friday, it appeared that Portugal’s two strongest clubs had managed to hold on to their key players, at least until January. However, the window closes later in Russia (6 September), and the business concluded today means both Hulk and Witsel will be playing their football alongside Portugal internationals Danny and Bruno Alves in the Russian Super League.

Thanks for the memories

Hulk’s official debut for FC Porto at the Estadio do Dragão in the first league match of the 2008/09 season against Belenenses was notable for two incidents. The Brazilian hit a free-kick so hard into his own player, Mariano Gonzalez, acting as a decoy in the wall, that the unfortunate Argentine was ruled out of action for three weeks with a knee injury. Soon afterwards Hulk struck a rocket-propelled shot into the top corner of the net from 25 yards. The Porto faithful had a new hero.

It soon became evident that the Brazilian forward plucked from the obscurity of Japanese football would be grabbing attention for more than just his marvellous nickname. Carlos Carvalhal, the ex Sporting coach once said: “with all due respect to the rest of the players in this country, Hulk does not belong here - he is too good for the Portuguese league.” Few would argue. Indeed, it is something of a surprise Porto have been able to hold on to Hulk for so long.

As his moniker suggests, immense strength afforded by his stocky build is one of his foremost attributes. But what makes Hulk such an exciting player is the fact he allies raw speed, astounding acceleration and exceptional footwork to his powerful frame. Throw in a left foot that produces one of the most powerful shots in the modern game and there is little doubt that Hulk is a player who combines a unique set of talents.

Indeed, the biggest surprise to many is that none of Europe’s biggest clubs from the more high-profile leagues - namely the English Premier League or La Liga - came in for the 26-year-old. The same applies to Axel Witsel.

The Witsel factor

Axel WitselThe Belgian was one of Benfica’s final buys in the summer of 2011. Costing around €7 million euros, the elegant midfielder slotted smoothly into the Eagles’ midfield and immediately looked a special talent. Covering an immense amount of ground as he glided around the pitch, Witsel defended with real steel, and attacked with class and verve. The clever interchanging of short passes between Pablo Aimar, Witsel and Benfica’s battery of wingers and overlapping full-backs became a feature of Benfica’s play.

It was precisely Witsel’s ability to combine the two roles so effectively that tempered coach Jorge Jesus’ tendency to put an over emphasis on attack, resulting in a more balanced team. As 2011/12 neared its climax, Benfica were at the top of the table and in the latter stages of the Champions League, but a late collapse saw the Lisbon giants ultimately fall short on both fronts.

Many analysts point to a Liga match at Vitória Guimarães late in the season, in which Jorge Jesus, already missing the injured Javi Garcia, decided to rest Witsel for the first hour. Benfica lost, and a commanding lead at the top of the table over bitter rivals FC Porto was cut to reachable proportions just one week ahead of the clash between the two. Seven days later Porto won at the Estádio da Luz and went on to lift the title.

Who will be missed the most?

That is the question raging in Portugal tonight. Hulk carried such a threat for Porto that it was always the Incrível to whom the team turned when things were getting tough. Invariably he delivered. With the man bought to replace Falcao last summer, Kléber, failing to convince in 2011/12, much will depend on how much of a goal threat new Colombian striker Jackson Martínez will prove, and how young stars James Rodríguez and Christian Atsu react to having to carry a greater burden of the attacking threat.

Witsel undoubtedly bolstered Benfica’s erstwhile soft centre. Together with the departure of Javi Garcia last Friday, Benfica fans will be fretting about a potential huge hole in the middle of the park. An abundance of dazzling talent on the flanks and up front promises plenty of goals for Benfica. But can they stop them at the other end?

The double-whammy news will no doubt give a psychological boost to Braga, themselves weakened by the departure of Lima to Benfica last Friday, and Sporting. It is difficult to argue that both Porto and Benfica will be significantly weaker for having lost Hulk and Witsel respectively. Can Sporting, without the draining participation in the Champions League, and Braga, who have made such impressive steps to reel in the traditional powerhouses in Portugal, now mount a serious title challenge?

Breeding ground

A final thought. While it is disappointing for fans of Portuguese football to see two truly magnificent players leave, the transfer fees they commanded further serves to illustrate that the Liga Zon Sagres is a fertile breeding ground for many of the game’s  biggest stars in their formative years.

High-quality coaching and the promise of regular European football makes the country an attractive proposition for up-and-coming talent of all nationalities. Those looking for the next Hulk or the next Witsel would do well to keep their eyes trained on the Liga Zon Sagres.

by Tom Kundert



Comments (50)
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50 Friday, 07 September 2012 07:36
NJ, I know the answer to the question is easy.

The reason I wrote it was not in the hope that someone would elucidate me, but to state how ridiculous the rivalry between Benfica and Porto has become. So ridiculous that most supporters are too blind with hate to see the obvious.
LOL
49 Friday, 07 September 2012 03:33
Pedro, that's the easiest question ever. Someone is fattening his very own coffers. That someone and I'm sure his cronies as well. What did Guimares due with the 9 mil they somehow fooled Man United to give for Bebe? Take a look, no purchases were made yet somehow the debt increased. Take a look at Malaga as the latest example. The wealthy Qatar owners provided a ton of money for the transfers and salaries. Then all of a sudden players somehow were in the rears in getting paid for several months. What happened to budgeted money. Happily for Malaga the owners aren't completely stupid. They ousted people in charge and put new people in. Now we wait and see if they get pilfered again and get the hell out, causing Malaga to collapse. I feel no sympathy for these clubs that collapse. If Benfica goes down due to complete incompetence shame on me for helping it. Don't worry, I won't stop cheering and rooting. Same goes for small clubs that either overspend and then blame player salaries (Pompey) or don't do a thing to help their own cause and survival (Leiria).

Sorry for rant.
witsel's latest comments.
48 Thursday, 06 September 2012 14:34
Hmmm... this is getting weird. Seems Witsel was prepared to leave a month ago as he had conversations with Lombaerts a fellow Belgian about the city and stuff. Reading some of the comments that people are writing in the Record seems they were double crossed by Witsel. They mention that he said he was a benfica fan since he was small and after the first year he bails?

Seems odd to say the least but 40 million should be a good amount to find a few new pieces to fill the squad.
Sam as usual you miss the point..
47 Thursday, 06 September 2012 13:04
I have always given Porto their full due credit.. and am not one of those folks that don't.

What Porto has accomplished the last few decades is amazing.. you will never hear me complain about that.

Also PDC has done a fantastic job in restocking his cupboards on many occasions.

Most importantly unlike LFV he also has a great eye for Managers... even Pereira I consider above JJ as he took a lesser squad last season and beat Benfica once again after one of JJ's famous seasons. When JJ has had superior squads and lost many seasons.

Like NJ said I believe Benfica has had the talent advantage 3 out of the last 4 years but Porto ended up winning 3 out of 4 years, not because they didn't have the manpower or players capable of doing it, mostly because JJ is too incompetent to actually see who is playing well, tactically inept to change formations on a game to game basis, he does it season to season, and because he is a jester on the sidelines.

Over the last 15 years Real Madrid has spent close to the same amount of money as a small country does on food as they do on players.. for most of those years player for player they had the best or top 5 best team rosters in Europe, they have won zero Champions League Trophies in that time. Same could've been said for Chelsea and a few other teams, up until last year of course.

Once again your weak attempts at trying to get under the skin of Benfica supporters has ended in failure.

Benfica again this year has the best squad.. and in my estimation think Porto will win again.. not because I don't like the roster of players.. as man for man besides DM, & LB we have the greatest squad in the Liga. Which will make 4 out of the last 5 for the big loser JJ.

Funny thing Hairy Palms is that like Bryan you spend more time in Benfica threads than you do your own teams..?

Drink some more of the Green Hatorade.. you look thirsty.
No disrespect.
46 Thursday, 06 September 2012 10:44
Sam, you're missing the point. Orlando believes that Benfica have always had the better squad, and it's JJ that's holding them back.
I'm not as harsh as him on JJ, but our teams have folded on certain big occasions. The fact is, we do have a hugely talented squad that you can say has underachieved.
I will admit that we're now soft on the defensive side, but so is Porto. We'll now see if Porto can still keep up offensively.

By the way, Iturbe is chirping his displeasure, once again.
NJ
45 Thursday, 06 September 2012 10:19
Porto has made some amazing sales and is the dominant team in Portugal, that is without question, but that data must have several errors. Paulo Ferreira and Bosingwa didn't cost 0€, as they both had contracts when Mourinho signed them (with Setúbal and Boavista, respectively); and I'm not sure about Maniche having cost 0€.

Plus, why leaving out players like Raul Meireles? And the plenty of others that didn't amount to any profit?

Hulk and Witsel were two great sales that FCP (especially) and Benfica have used us to, but more important is that the supporters ask themselves: if we make so many great sales, how is it possible that we're constantly on a financial distress?
Where credit is due and deserved
44 Thursday, 06 September 2012 03:04
I may not be their fan, but I could respect this kind of business?
The following link will take you to some of the deals Porto has made in the last decade. Pretty incredible.

http://www.balls.ie/2012/09/05/check-out-the-business-porto-has-done-over-the-last-decade/

I'm sure there were some stinkers bought with the money, but still pretty incredible.
Orlando Mac
43 Wednesday, 05 September 2012 22:43
I dont understand how you continuously say Benfica has the best squad in the liga. When was the last time Benfica won something of merit? to give your team the title of "best squad" you really should have some trophies to back that up. Does it hurt so bad to say Porto are and have been the better team for many years now?
Good business
42 Wednesday, 05 September 2012 18:23
Was anyone surprised? Maybe at the timing, but we all knew this day would come for both of these players. As long as Portuguese teams continue to be financially inferior, they will need to continue with the buy low sell high strategy, which has worked quite well. I don't blame FCP or Benfica for cashing in on these players one bit. Tidy sums of money were put forward and I think the Witsel deal was an especially good piece of business for Benfica. I'm a bit surprised FCP wasn't able to milk more out of Hulk, but who can complain...it's still a ridiculous amount of money.

This could make things more interesting in the liga. If Sporting can get its act together, it can capitalize on the turbulence and close the points gap. With this new cash Porto and Benfica could make some very interesting moves in the future as well though...
Re: Daniel UK
41 Wednesday, 05 September 2012 14:24
Daniel, I agree and have always thought Moutinho our best player. However, losing Hulk is still a big deal. It wouldn't be a big deal if we had a strong manager, but VP is weaker than Jesualdo Ferreira in my eyes. Jesualdo at least used to get us into the knockout stages of the CL.

Iturbe may well be heir to the throne, but without Moutinho, Lucho and Helton (leader at the back), Porto would be much worse off. Moutinho is for me not just the best Porto player, but he was our best player on the Seleccao this summer. Watching the Euros in Canada and having to endure the completely biased commentators on CTV (horrible, uninformed) write Portugal off before the team even played a game. Then when they went far, it was "Ronaldo's home-coming".

Newsflash: Ronaldo is the most high-profile player on the Seleccao, not the most consistent or the best. On his day, he is top 2 in the world. Every other day, the Seleccao is Moutinho, Meireles, Coentrao and even Joao Pereira's playground.

Daniel, I agree, I'm elated we held on to Moutinho. I want to see what Iturbe can do. But what I really want, is for us to challenge for the CL this year. Without Hulk, it will be difficult.

Cheers.
Re: Manuel Fernandes
40 Wednesday, 05 September 2012 11:06
Well if that is the case, then the rule is very unfair and unequal. Russian and Turkish teams have an extra week to buy players from across europe....but clubs from other European countries can't buy their players in this same period? How does that work, and how can it be justified? Yet another example of bad Uefa organisation that needs serious reform.

Anyway I agree we have 3 promising Portuguese youngsters in midfield in the B team, all of which will surely be available to the senior team this season if needed. We must play them in the upcoming Taca matches to get them used to playing in the first team. Come January, if we still need another midfielder in the squad and he is available, then Manuel Fernandes would be a good player to sign. It might also be wise to recall Amorim in January from his loan spell with Braga, as he can provide cover at defensive midfield and right-back...
comments
39 Wednesday, 05 September 2012 00:47
Val, you had me until you mentioned Totti. Lol. He's held Roma hostage for years. The reason he has never left is because he became a legend with the fans. He's threatened the club plenty in regards to leaving and goes to the press and says how he isn't wanted. Club's back is against the wall so they pay more. Very over inflated everything, for what he's done the last few seasons. He also gets, huh huh, hurt and goes on a sabbatical for a few weeks in the season.
I will say that Roma has profited plenty due to Totti. He's much more than just a player at this time.

Iturbe replacing Hulk? LOL. Someone better let Pereira in on that one. I may agree with you but Pereira makes JJ seem World Class in the managerial department. Without Hulk bailing him out he'll actually have to do something. I have a feeling you'll see Lucho and Moutinho staring at each other a lot and shaking their heads. I figure Moutinho forces his way out come January.

This will be a make it or break it season for JJ.
Porto fans, calm down!!
38 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 20:12
Porto fans ( me included ) need to calm yourselves down, in fact, everyone who is over exaggerating how important Hulk was to Porto should calm down! Hulk leaving was inevitable, I realised that soon after we won the Europa League..... But there is a silver lining Portista's! Hulk isn't our most influential player! He's not even our best player! Don't get me wrong Hulk is a phenomenal player who has contributed some amazing years for us, but then again so did all the OTHER great players that we've sold in the past 8 or so years....
We have some of the best scouts available at Vitor Pereira's disposal who are constantly finding the best young talents from around the world... or should I say South America haha James Rodriguez and Juan Iturbe are prime examples. We will bounce back from the sale of Hulk the same way we are currently bouncing back from the sale of Falcao.
Do you want to know who has REALLY been carrying our team lately?
JOAO MOUTINHO.
He's only been here for 2 seasons now but he's already proving to be a club legend in my eyes. I stayed up until about 3 am watching sky sports news hoping that we wouldn't be sold to Tottenham, and when he was, I was so relieved! People just don't notice him as much because he isn't banging in the goals like Hulk, but he's actually our best player, without him, his energy, his influence, his determination and obviously his technical ability, I don't know where we'd be. So please Portistas, calm down.

Don't get me wrong I'm devestated that Hulk has gone, but I'm trying to see the good side of this! It will finally mean that our young wingers (Iturbe, Atsu, Kelvin and James) will get more game time... Varela too. It would also gives Porto a great chance to perhaps a new playstyle, as normally it was Hulk dictating how we played, because the players passed to him so much.

As for who his replacement will be... well I personally want it to be Juan Iturbe, he's such a good player from what I've seen of him and I'm really disappointed that Vitor Pereira has refused to play him time and time again. James on the left wing, Jackson in the middle and Iturbe on the right, wonderful.
Manuel Fernandes
37 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 18:41
I'm pretty sure that clubs in Portugal can sell players to the Russian and Turkish leagues, but we can't buy replacements. I also remember reading that Manuel Fernandes would be Witsel's replacement if he was to be sold to Real Madrid.

It really sucks that we sold Witsel after our transfer window closed. Manuel Fernandes would be a brilliant addition in January, but for now, I think we should give the likes of Andre Almeida and Andre Gomes a chance.

I've watched a couple Benfica B games this season, and I've really been impressed with Gomes. Like Witsel, he's very comfortable on the ball, and he doesn't shy away from a tackle. Almeida can be a decent back-up for Matic, but Miguel Vitor would definitely be the most defensively sound back-up for him.
Re: Steve Australia
36 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 16:13
Interesting point you made about Manuel Fernandes mate! In fact a month ago when it was looking like Real Madrid were going to buy Witsel, I was already thinking Fernandes would be a decent replacement for Axel, and I still do. But what i don't know is how the system works regarding the late transfer window in Turkey. Is it just that Turkish teams can buy players from abroad for a few more days...or can all European teams also buy players from Turkey? Perhaps the guys at Portugoal.net can clarify this up for us? If it would be possible, I for one would like to see us buy back Fernandes. We could definitely afford him after selling Javi and Axel. He's a similar energetic box-to-box type player to Witsel, and also Fernandes is a Benfiquista so he probably wouldn't take too much persuading...
Greed has no country
35 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 15:13
Torpiano you need to read up on Shevchenko, Ibrahimovich, Beckham, Ashley Cole, Sol Campbell, Carlos Tevez, Samir Nasri, Lucas Neil, Benni McCarthy…….thats just off the top of my head, I am sure there are many more. Greed doesn’t only flow in the Portuguese blood, it flows in all manner of greedy peoples blood.

The opposite of those guys are guys like Francesco Totti and Fabrizio Miccoli (the small bomber). Totti had the talent to play on any team he wanted, he never left Roma, always said no to any transfer, he was Roman for life (a very rare breed). Miccoli could of easily told Juve to “go f*** themselves” when they loaned him out to Benfica, but he came and brought a wonderful fun attitude with him, he also brought his A game and was a force on the pitch for Benfica. He followed that up with his 2 best seasons at Palermo yet always speaks very highly of his time in Portugal, class!

Just some random guys off the top of my head, both ends of the coin.
I think you are being hard on...
34 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 13:13
Torpiano I know it might seem like that at times my friend but I think Pedro is right on the money it has always happened and if you look at the transfer list they come from everywhere. It is just that we pay closer attention to a smaller pie.

We are soon to be the 4th best league in Europe.. and because of our ability to sell players extremely well we have benefited greatly from it.. as many foreigners come to play in the Liga because it is a great platform to the most elite teams on the planet. Today's sale is only going to help us get more talent than others.. especially the Italians.. which will benefit us down the line.

Sure it means from time to time we have to sell some fantastic players that we cherished.. but that is the game my friend.

It is just the nature of the beast.. and it is up to PDC & LFV to restock the shelves with quality players so that the our teams don't miss out. These two sales hurt both Benfica & Porto so it is somewhat fair and balancing.

Porto won't be as strong offensively (although I see some others stepping for Hulk) and Benfica will be even more defensively liable without Witsel & Javi, so the only thing that could be hampered is the great CL runs both clubs were about to make.. Nj could be right.. it could mean curtains early for both.. hopefully resulting in Europa if they do get knocked out.. meaning more co-efficient points.

I knew the non-defensive line-up that JJ would go with when Javi was sold.. but now that Witsel was sold too.. it makes it more interesting..

Now personally I think sliding Vitor in Javi's slot and Matic into Witsel's spot would do nicely with Almeida & Gomes to back up both.. might even turn out to be better, given enough time to gel. but we all know that NJ is right and it will mean that JJ will play players out of position and will have Matic taking over for Javi & Martins or Gaitan) for Witsel which will make us exponentially weaker in my opinion.

As Matic is a better box to box.. and like NJ said Martins (& Gaitan are awful defenders) Benfica will be too offensive... create holes on defence.. not that the 2-1-7 formations recently deployed have been based on any sort of defence...lol

Unfortunately I think that JJ's line-up would be the worst core and option which leads me to believe that is what JJ will start with.

I feel like Samuel Jackson in Pulp fiction when he is sitting with Roth in the diner with a gun pointed in his face going through the Sheperd speech..

http://www.myspace.com/video/derrick/pulp-fiction-trying-to-be-the-shepherd/8112780

Now I want to believe that JJ will do the right thing and sheperd Benfica through the valley of darkness.. and be his Benfica bros keeper.. protecting them from evil tyranny.

But the truth is we all know JJ is the weak and us the fans will have to shoot him in the head to save some face (meaning figuratively fire his ass not actually shoot him).

Unfortunately we have no Samuel Jackson character to say some cool shit and put a couple caps into JJ's managerial career.

Anyways will have to wait a bit now to confirm JJ's complete & utter retardation.

Of course it will not cost us from getting our usual runners up badges for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the liga.. like those participation awards that some used to get in school when you lost an event. with the best squad in the Liga.. the result is quite predictable really from JJ's track record.
Witsel - Manuel Fernandes?
33 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 11:40
Hi guys,

As everyone knows this is tough for Benfica as they dont have a chance to get a quality replacement and also most of their cm/dm players are young or out on loan ei David Simao, Ruben Amorim etc. I was thinking is Manuel Fernandes still available? Hes currently playing in Besiktas who last i heard are having some financial problems and may want to cash in.

So does anyone else think this is a good idea and if yes is it possible. Will he take a pay cut to come home?
Sporting?
32 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 11:21
Sporting looks like the most balanced squad? really ...hahah compared to who? Id take Van Wolfswinkel on a free from sporting, and the rest wouldnt make Benfica's B team...please
Realistically...
31 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 11:18
Porto really didn't have much choice it was way too much money to pass up. Don't forget they were in for 19 MILLION for 85% of his rights. If he were to get a serious injury they would have to eat that.

I don't see hulk forcing his way out at all, seemed as though he just went along with it. If he forced a move it would have been to a bigger league. I would have much rather have seen him go to the EPL so I could see him play against huge teams. In Russia I won't bother to watch even if I could.


I hope Porto stops doing business with these companies to buy players and just buy 100% rights from now on. With all the money they make on transfers they shouldn't need these companies.

Also along with that, they should avoid buying expensive players when possible. They have such a low rate of working out. Cheaper acquisitions have been great for business
Just to add...
30 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 11:08
After reading "the fix" i find it odd that they choose to go to russia and turkey(raul m) as they are corrupt beyond corrupt leagues. Witsel should of waited for spain or england. Hulk well i do have to say $$$ cha-ching he did it for money more than anything else.

Also with russia league starting way earlier than western europe hence the shifted transfer window.
Huge news!!!
29 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 10:59
Firstly let me state that it's disappointing for the Liga to be losing 2 of it's very best players in one single swoop, both players will be missed from the Liga in general, not to mention the 2 clubs. Secondly it is disappointing for the players themselves, to leave the 5th best league in Europe for huge money, you really would expect them to go to a bigger club and a more competitive league. But to leave our league to go play in Russia, whatever they are getting paid, is very disappointing. Neither player in my opinion will be progressing their careers, substantially increasing their wages yes, but not their football development. They will be playing in a country where for almost 6 months of the year it is too cold and miserable to play football in any reasonable conditions! And yes Zenit have loads of money, but they have none of the prestige, history and pedigree of both SLB and Porto.

As others have pointed out, 40 million for a single player is simply too much for clubs like Benfica and Porto who are still struggling with debt, to turn down. It's as simple as that really. And this is the good news for both clubs. I think player's transfer ratings are just getting even more exagerrated as the years pass (even though we are in the middle of a global recession!)...and in my opinion there's no way that either player can be considered more important than 40 million euros. Both clubs are in debt don't forget, and both clubs have endured selling their best players down the years, and still remain the top 2 in Portugal and always competitive in Europe as well. So it's not all doom and gloom people...both clubs will move on like they always have. Benfica have made something close to 100 million euros with their summer sales and Champions League revenue from last season. Wiping out their debt has to remain a big priority for the club, this is the reality.

But that being said it would be naive to think that both moves won't hurt both clubs on the pitch, at least to start off with. I think Porto in particular will seriously miss Hulk. He's been their most important and influential player for each of the 4 seasons he's been at the club. They would not have won the Liga last season without his input, no question at all. And above all he was the captain and true leader of the team. All these factors will be mighty hard to replace.

Witsel will be missed too at Benfica, but not as much as Hulk i don't think. Yes Axel is a fantastic player and had a sensational debut season for us and was our player of the year. But he'd only been a year with us, not 4 years like Hulk. And the reality is we didn't win anything with him in the team last season, so he's not exactly indispencible. His energy and work-rate and all-round class will be missed in our midfield...but I don't think losing him will alter in any way how JJ will set us up to play, this will remain an attacking policy, to go for goals at all costs. We have players that can take his place: Matic, Martins or even Bruno Cesar. Or perhaps it is time to give the talented Portuguese youngsters like Almeida, Miguel Rosa or Andre Gomes a proper chance in the senior team.

Yes our midfield looks less strong after these 2 sales in the space just of a few days...but this Benfica squad hasn't quickly stopped being a strong squad just by losing Garcia and Witsel. We still have options in the squad (and funds to spend in January) to still make this a succesful season. And I would think Porto fans will think the same about their squad. The big Portuguese clubs have always had to sell their biggest talents abroad, since the days of Futre and Rui Costa and Figo etc etc...but they always continue to emerge as strong competitive teams...and this will continue, of that I am sure.
?!
28 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 10:11
torpiano wrote: "And the modern day footballer, well, especially Brazilian and Portuguese ones, if you wave a big fat cheque in front of their face they will go anywhere."

Especially Brazilian and Portuguese, why? That's not true, you should have kept the sentence at "the modern day footballer", but even that is arguable, because that always happened and it's a human trait, not a footballer's one.
$$$$$$$$
27 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 09:44
Every player has a price, and Zenit have made offers FCP & SLB simply cannot refuse.

And the modern day footballer, well, especially Brazilian and Portuguese ones, if you wave a big fat cheque in front of their face they will go anywhere. We've seen so many Portuguese players end up in Turkey & Russia in recent years, now Raul Meireles has joined the craze. Brazilians especially will play in any corner of the globe if you offer them enough money.

I'm more surprised about Witsel going there, I thought he would have more than just financial ambitions. Well, I hope they both enjoy the weather out there.

Maybe like Mario Jardel we will see Hulk return to Portuguese football one day, we shall see.

No single player is bigger than the club. FCP will be fine, we've been here before, and still won titles, and we'll do it again.
At the end of the day, great deals.
26 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 09:43
From what I've read, Porto got 45M€ for Hulk and Benfica 40M€ for Witsel. Impressive, but neither Porto nor Benfica have players good enough to fill the roles of these two, which could hurt their European campaigns.

But Europe is the only great problem that comes from this. Domestically, the two clubs are still balanced between themselves, the money will be great for our league in general and this will force Vítor Pereira and Jorge Jesus to resort to younger players, which has a great long-term effect. Plus, for Benfica, this will probably mean a tactical adjustment, with the inclusion of Carlos Martins on the starting line-up, meaning that the club will (finally!) feature a Portuguese player again.
Regarding Portuguese transfer window
25 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 09:26
according to Dutch news site the Portuguese transfer window closes on 21 September. I'm guessing the Dutch got it wrong (wouldn't be the first time regarding Portuguese football) still I'm wondering where did they got that 21 September date from?
Good business bad planning for SLB
24 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 08:17
Witsel and Garcia gone! Very poor planning in getting someone to fill this void. I'm guessing Matic, Vitor, and Almeida all may have their shot at it. Its a g
Something smells fishy
23 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 04:53
My first observation is how unfair it is that all teams in Europe have to cease business on Sept 1st, yet Turkey and Russia somehow get to swoop in after these deadlines. If these 2 countries are the only ones with extended deadlines, than they should only be allowed to do business with each other and not other nations that must respect the regular transfer window.

Secondly, I think it's a bit sad quite frankly that players are willing to move to worse leagues only because they get more money. Now, I don't blame them for wanting to capitalize on short career times, but I think it's ridiculous that clubs are allowed to be purchased by corrupt oil tycoons with unlimited pockets.

It's disgusting that world hunger still exists, yet clubs pay hundreds of millions of dollars every year to exchange players. I have come to despise the Chelseas, Man City's, PSG's and Zenit's of the world. I admire the Arsenals, Bayern Munichs and Porto's of the world that look to spend responsibly and develop players to sell at a profit. Ok, so the Arsenal model is a bit flawed but they are competitive every year and play beautiful football.

For Porto, this was a great deal. Hulk is brilliant, but to say he is too good to be in the league is ridiculous. The Liga Zon Sagres is the 5th best league in the world, with tons of young talent. It's time the league got some credit and attention.

To Hulk, thanks for the memories, and enjoy the frostbite. I love Hulk, but the move leaves me a bit sour.

Cheers
Great piece of business but horrific for futebol
22 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 03:08
Hulk;
I always thought that Hulk would go, but Zenit was nowhere near my radar. I know people will say that he went to an inferior league and just took the money. To that I would like to remind people that Porto also took the money (I've heard 50 mil not 60) and Hulk will still get to play plenty of Champions League play. Considering how much Zenit is spending, they can paint a pretty picture to go along with all that cash. That being said, Hulk has most likely killed off his career. If he wanted to receive a ton of noterarity he should have forced an EPL or La Liga move. Yes he could still earn a CL title but he'll be in complete obscurity in league play.
As for Porto fans thinking they have plenty to cover for him leaving, I just don't see it. Who's going to score? Who's going to carry the club at times? I admit to being a harsh critic when it came to Hulk, but he was beyond valuable to Porto. In my opinion Pereira is also lacking so this can be devastating.
Porto will compete in league play but I just don't see a very long stay in the CL.

Witsel;
This was a bombshell for me. I was still reeling from the Javi move and his possible replacement or lack of there of, and this is dropped on Benfiquistas. I agree with Orlando that in looking back, this will hurt as badly as when we lost Ramires. DiMaria was the big name but the squad suffered more when Ramires left. I understand that Benfica had to take the money. You can't say no to 40 mil for a player after having him for a year with that kind of profit. I do like Matic, who's highly rated, and he could fill in for Witsel. The problem is that I see JJ using him as like for like Javi replacement. Matic is actually much better on the ball and sees the field better. But with Witsel gone, we will go back to the 4-4-2 (diamond middle) formation. Fine for league play, but we'll get killed in European play. If JJ goes to the 4-2-3-1, I see him using Martins alongside Matic, which will be disastrous. Martins isn't good enough defensively, doesn't track back well and tends to commit the bad foul or lose the ball in a bad spot on the field. Please keep in mind that Witsel also covered for Maxi as right back when necessary.
Let me add that adding Lima was a complete waste of time, unless Cardozo is slated to go in January. I also don't like adding players during the January transfer due to their inflated prices.

I know that some people have mentioned players from the B Squad, but I don't think that we're not able to bring them in now. Benfica is very thin at the back. Jardel is on the B Squad for whatever reason, when he should be on the bench on the main squad.
I also don't see a long European run for Benfica.
scum
21 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 02:06
Javi and Witsel are traitors and scum...good riddance
Thats it for hulk?
20 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 01:45
Look i could care less about these two deals but i have to say benfica scored big. Pdc on the other hand sold the €100 man for less than half. Not only that, witsel went for the same price which makes hulks value less than what was advertised.

Benfica and porto will be business as usual in a couple of weeks and i sse them still being the top two.
fantastic news...
19 Tuesday, 04 September 2012 00:49
With these transfers sporting seem to looke dthe most balanced team on paper
Zenit
18 Monday, 03 September 2012 22:54
I'm going to have to start supporting Zenit soon, all they need is CR7 and Ricardo and that'll be all my favorite players there.
I'm sad O Incrivel is gone, but that's a decent payoff.
Nothing the club could do, 40mil buyout paid
17 Monday, 03 September 2012 21:56
It's very clear that the club needed to sell at least one player. Originally at the end of last season it was supposed to be Nico but that guy did so bad that no one wanted him at his price tag. We needed 15-20million and LFV picked Javi, he let Javi go at the end of the transfer window and I don't think he expected anyone to come for Witsel or for Witsel to want to go to either Russia or Turkey which were the two main leagues that could still buy players. It likely surprised him that Witsel agreed to go to Russia since this guy was very likely to go to a top side in the EPL or La Liga by next transfer window if he had kept up his good work. I guess some guys just see money and say f' the career.

I think Matic is a good player and this will be his season, I remember clearly that when Javi was picked up fans had little excitement in him since all he had done was sit on the bench at Real. However I agree that we are too thin on our defensive mid-fielders, this could be a good chance for someone like Almeida to get called up from the b-team. Last year JJ would play him as a rightback but he's better in the mid-field.

On a business note, how much did we pay for Witsel last year? 5, 6, 8mil?? Either way to clear over 30million profits from one player in one season is good money. I think with us hosting the CL next year we have more then enough depth in our forwards, wingers, and CF's, even if we lose a player in each of those positions, we'll still be very strong. LFV should focus on a strong signing in our fullbacks and DM's in the winter window to give us the depth we need but overall the rest of the team is still looks good.
100 mil!
16 Monday, 03 September 2012 21:24
On Abola it says Hulk is out for 60 and Witsel 40! Zenit ust pumped the Liga with 100 milion Euros
Varela
15 Monday, 03 September 2012 20:31
Thanks for everything Hulk fantastic player he was for us going to be missed and a big loss for Porto but now I hope to see Varela getting his playing time.
Wow
14 Monday, 03 September 2012 20:18
For Porto and their fans the only surprise can be that it happened after most thought the transfer window was closed but apparently least Russia & Turkey seem to have extended windows. Nevertheless, Hulk is a big blow but most expected him to go anyways and Porto have other young guys that they could bring in and will least be capable of playing their position and bring some firepower and playing ability.

Now on to Benfica! Wow is all I have to say. If they sell less than release clause I will be enraged! I couldn't believe they let go of Javi for €20 but least we still had Witsel but with no Witsel its bare In the CM. Its almost like they should go with a 5-3-2
--------------Artur-------------
Maxi-Sidnei-Garay-Luisão-Melgarejo
----Salvio-Cesar/Martins-Gaitan----
-------------Rodrigo-------------
-------------Cardozo-------------

I would prefer 3 CB over Matic starting at DM especially with all the defensive problems we already had! But damn even then the team is just do damn offensive. I hope it isn't true!
Terrible
13 Monday, 03 September 2012 19:48
Terrible news! I was hoping Hulk would stay since he was FC Porto in many respects. Best of luck to him in Russia. Thanks for the many great memories you've provided us during your stay.

This sale has now blown the door wide open for other teams to capitalize. Although PDC has once again proven how great he is at making money, as a Portista, I have to wonder who can step in and fill Hulk's boots. I see Porto struggling to score this year which leaves the title race wide open. Pereira better have some tricks up his sleeves, and soon. Let's see how Porto's young talent reacts to the news and who wants to take Hulk's place.

As for Benfica, I think Witsel is a big loss, but I honestly think Benfica is impacted less by this sale than Porto's sale of Hulk. I realize Benfica fans may be concerned about their midfield, but I fully expect Benfica to continue their great play thus far and feed on a weaker Porto team.

I hope I am wrong and I know how many people do not like Hulk, but you can't disagree with his talent and how much he contributed to Porto. The Liga title race has now been blown wide open...
Has benfica gone mad?
12 Monday, 03 September 2012 19:23
I find it hard to believe that Benfica would sell Witsel especially after selling Garcia. This will cost them the season and any kind of success in the Champions league. Porto on the other hand has quality players on the wing that can come in for Porto. It won't be the same but they will remain a stable team. As a Benfica supporter I am very disappointed if this is true.
Sales
11 Monday, 03 September 2012 19:11
Apparantly Hulk was traded for 50 million...Atsu should take his place, he is an extremely promising young winger... but I dont see him scoring as much as hulk.
Now to Benfica..
What the ##@$!! Witsel and Garcia sold! Matic is garbage! unless they are switching to a 4-1-2-1-2 instead of their previous 4-2-3-1 formation, they are screwed. I cant believe this trade if its true.. goodbye Benfica title hopes if its true...
If Porto loses Hulk and wins the title again, I wouldnt be suprised... Benfica usually will always be the 2nd team if they make bad trades like this.
Im a Benfiquist by the way. A disappointed one at that.
Transfers
10 Monday, 03 September 2012 18:51
At this point Zenit has confirmed the acquisition of Hulk for 5 years. The Witsel deal is still in negotiations and there is no news on whether he is closer to being sold or if he were to be staying.
Several papers quoting it at this stage
9 Monday, 03 September 2012 18:30
This will hurt both clubs badly. We now have less depth in the defensive mid-field area and Porto just lost the player that has carried their team, no one on their team comes close to producing what he does.
I too am blown away by this..
8 Monday, 03 September 2012 18:09
Would just remind people that it is Abola quoting it.. so the chances are 80-20 that it does not happen.

But taking it for it's value.. on the outside it looks like Porto suffers more in this loss.. and I feel you.. Hulk in the CL was a different player.. and one that we will miss.. but his Diving Douche persona in the Liga will not be missed and the goals and penalties will be replaced... Porto still looks strong.

On the other hand.. I just posted about yesterdays 2 -1 - 7 formation and how bad it was and now they sold the 1 in midfield.. like the others stated.. Matic is the only PT player that JJ has that plays box to box.. and he isn't a DM.

Sure we have Vitor, Almeida, Gomes, and others.. but they fail the customs passport check at the door.. they are Portuguese.. which means only B Team positions.

Benfica is screwed more than Porto with this sale, both to Zenit which really disagrees with the fans because they wanted the players to move on to bigger and better not same level for a bigger pay cheque and that Paulo is your answer to the Hulk question.
MO MONEY MO MONEY MO MONEY..
good money for the Hulk
7 Monday, 03 September 2012 18:08
Well done Porto for cashing in now while the going is good!! Hulk is nit worth 50Million and if we get that from the Russian's this season then that's good business, watched him at the Olympics and he looked fat and slow!! We must make space for the young guns we have in the squad such as Iturbe. Good move Porto great business, Pinto Da Costa is a legend....
transfer deadline
6 Monday, 03 September 2012 17:50
I thought the transfer deadline was on Aug 31st? How can these moves happen outside of the transfer window?
Motive?
5 Monday, 03 September 2012 17:46
I still don't understand why Hulk would want to move to a relatively similar league, skill and PR wise in Russia. I thought for sure he would want to move to England or Spain, but I guess he just wanted out. Zenit are going to absolutely dominate domestically with these two gents though thats for sure. Doubt they get past the quarters in the CL this year.
the timing is bad.
4 Monday, 03 September 2012 17:44
I personally think the timing of this is a slap in the face. I cant help but think Russia screwed us over. we sell a striker and we get this money, but its no good until the winter transfer window. which isn't for a couple of months. I think this will change the race for 1st up abit. I worry about the champions league with Portos current squad. we have some good players, but its looking grim the future. I hope im wrong.
we can never have a complete team
3 Monday, 03 September 2012 17:23
as soon as we fill up one hole (striker), we go an create 2 more. we could have had one hell of a champions league run this year and now even the league is in jeopardy.

losing falcao and hulk in back to back seasons absolutely sucks
Huge blows for both teams
2 Monday, 03 September 2012 17:21
Hulk and Witsel would be huge losses for both clubs. However, while Hulk contribution to Porto's attack is incredible, Porto have many quality players to take his position (James, Atsu, Varela, Iturbe). I don't think that any of them can score 20 goals and 10 assists a season, but they are still good players.

Benfica, on the other hand, makes one stupid sale after the other. I know that Javi Garcia wasn't perfect, but he was the only true defensive midfielder on the squad. Matic can play there, but he's more of a #8 than a trinco. Now, if Witsel, is sold, we'll lose our most talented player, and our only box-to-box midfielders.

Saying that Benfica is top heavy is an understatement: Cardozo, Rodrigo, Lima, and Kardec as strikers.

Salvio, Nolito, Bruno Cesar, Pablo Aimar, Carlos Martins, Enzo Perez, Ola John, and Nico Gaitan as attacking midfielders/wingers...

If Wistel leaves, than Matic will be the only holding midfielder on the entire squad! Axel Witsel was the missing link after the sale of Ramires. Now, we don't that vital piece of a 3 man midfield.

The only thing we can do is bring Andre Almeida and Andre Gomes up from the B team. Almeida is a decent holding midfielder, but he isn't even close to Witsel in terms of technical ability.

Gomes is better technically, but he's only 19 years old. He's got a ton of potential, but I really don't think he's ready to play the likes of Barcelona in the champions league..
It was a matter of when not if...
1 Monday, 03 September 2012 17:08
still it will hurt both clubs if these players leave for Zenit, not just their chances of making to the next round but also Portugal's coefficient.

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