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| Tuesday, 12 October 2010 15:04 |
Bento's Portugal ease to second winIceland 1-3 Portugal  The Seleccao picked up a second win in five days under new coach Paulo Bento in Iceland tonight. Goals from Cristiano Ronaldo, Raul Meireles and Helder Postiga gave Portugal an important victory in Reykjavik, with Helguson getting on the scoresheet for the hosts. Related: Bento calls for maximum focus against Iceland Euro 2012 qualifying - Group H standings / results / fixtures Iceland: Gunnleifsson, Steinsson, Ragnar Sigurdsson, Kristjan Sigurdsson, Indridi Sigurdsson (Adalsteinsson, 85), Danielsson, Saevarsson (Gunnarsson, 85), Skulason, Gudjohnsen, Helguson, Bjarnason, (Porvaldsson, 68) Yellow Cards: Tiago Portugal: Eduardo, Joao Pereira, Pepe, Ricardo Carvalho, Fabio Coentrao, Raul Meireles, Carlos Martins (Tiago, 76), Joao Moutinho, Nani (Danny, 87), Cristiano Ronaldo, Hugo Almeida (Helder Postiga, 65) Yellow Cards: Skulason, Gudjohnsen Goals: [0-1] Ronaldo, 3 [1-1] Helguson, 17 [1-2] Meireles, 27 [1-3] Postiga, 72 |
I have a few God Children.. and a few special Nephews that I train.. for the sole purpose of filling Portugal's holes.
Being the hard assed dude that everyone admired.. I say what I want to say when I want to say it... and have always done so.
I guess that is what rubs some people the wrong way, but in my defense I almost never started a fight..ever.. but always ended them.
I am the type of dude that always stands for others.. and the only thing that makes me throw down is someone picking on a weaker person. That is the only thing that flicks my switch.
I am training 3 at the moment.. one to be a Goalkeeper.. the other two to be Strikers.. you can best believe we are working for the greater good.
My nephew Braydon is ridiculously smart.. agile... he is a big cat.. that loves to play.. he will be Eusebio 2...
his brother... Christ Hopper (Christopher).. is like me.. the anvil.. power.. shoot right through the goalie and score... a little monster with brains.. scary..lol
Philip..is a detailed sevant with large hands.. likes to jump with power, and likes to take everything away from you...that is why he will rule in goal.
You will hear their names. we will all cheer.. they are the future.. from the fans that so passionately care. We train the future.
Luso even though we have disagreed.. I agree with I am a loving uncle who says what has to be said.
Voice who has changed his profile hiding his name to dupe others.. and Sour Puss who I called a Keyboard Jockey ages ago (Google it for a definition Green Melon)..
Now I will admit Voice sometimes you have some half decent points.. but even a broken clock is right twice in one day, and 14 times in one week. So if you want to call me the Supremo or the Big Mac.. I will accept that. It doesn't hurt if you bow either...lol
Sour Puss on the other hand has nothing to offer a conversation except his failed abortion. He just runs around trying to encite Benfiquista's through a monitor. All your future posts will be set to ignore.
Nuff Said..
Whatever your next tag name is going to be.
Ronaldo has always been praised as a deedicated professional on every team he plays for and nobody should have any reason to doubt him because of that. Some of his poor performances didn't have anything to do with his level of dedication but how he was being used on the team. Now things are different, and we can all see just how great he can play.
About B. Alves moving to Zenit....I was confused about that but I know that he wanted to keep his future in mind and he isn't getting any younger, it's true. I don't think that's why he's not starting any more. However, I don't think anyone should think of him as a sellout. He plays with passion for the Seleccao and played well for the most part, with the exception of the Cyprus game, when everyone struggled.
I do wish he would've gone to Spain or England but hey, there weren't any offers there and Zenit offered him a spot where he could play Europa League and Champions League football and win domestic titles. Why not pursue a new challenge? I say good for him to go out and be a champion with Miguel Danny.
Bruno Alves will play for the Seleccao again, especially if an injury takes either Carvalho or Pepe out.
I always enjoy the discussions about Portuguese football with everyone, even when some people's opinions are so biased!! haha, just kidding, we are all biased in some way.
Forca Portugal! I can't wait to get tickets for the Portugal-Norway game in June!
I was reading along thinking Voice of Wrong was actually totally on point with his commentary.. over a few posts.
I too still believe against good teams you need the Triple Crown of Carvalho, Alves, and Pepe.. to shut the middle down. Sure against weaker teams you can sub in someone like Meireles into the DM role but as you saw in this game it definitely leaves huge aerial gaps.. if you look at the corner we were out numbered in the middle on D.. from a corner? A bunch of guys unmarked..?
Anyways CR has scored in two straight games.. Queer-Who?
Of course we have Un-Mannless Sour Puss taking potshots even when I haven't said anything... I always did have a way with the B*tches.. always on their minds..lol
And Voice of Reason totally proves that anyone that self proclaims himself with a particular attribute is anything but.
You attack Supremo and rabbit extensively about how you are level headed and don't take part in the mob mentality.. before you extoll these fine sentiments, "Look dummy…I’m going to spell one thing out for you, that you obviously aren’t bright enough to understand."
Clearly that must be the Voice of Reason.
A real Voice of Reason would appreciate that Supremo is entitled to his own opinion.. even if we both agree that he is wrong, on this occasion.
Also if you read back you will find out that Supremo & I only agree at about a 55% rate. Although under QUEER EYES we agreed with much more, so clearly we should rename you Voice of the Delusional as well.
Many other great posts.. like most I have great respect for Nuno Gomes.. but he has no business with the current squad.
Cheers
I've always said that you are one of the more informed and insightful posters here.
I come here to read Tom Kundert and talk futebol with my fellow Portuguese - from all over the world. I just get really tired of reading posts from know-it-alls who criticize everything after the fact. Especially when they don't know what to criticize, so they use the old argument that "Ronaldo has no heart". Man, every guy that puts that jersey on wants to win for his country...to imply anything other than that is just nonsense.
I'll try to keep things in check from now on.
Sorry to all if my long winded posts took away from the discussion.
plus ive liked martins since he was at sporting i have always been a fan of his i dont know what your trying to get at because last the time i checked you talk more about sporting and porto then the portugal team mannyscp your a joke and since we want to talk about clubs then your team is a joke say what you want about benfica complaining about the refs hey we did but we are starting to win and get on with it unlike your team who have the whole portugal team right but cant figure out how to get 3 points face it you dont talk bad about porto because sporting is portos sidekick and all of you join together to hate benfica and i love it makes it seem like porto and sporting fasn are always trying to diss us
If anyone noticed, I'm the one being called out here for expressing my own opinion.
Voice is criticizing my "managerial skills" because I was appointed coach of PortuGoal.net. Well, Fire me. You seem qualified to take over with your "unbias opinions". Perhaps you should join the Podcasts with Andy & Tom. We're all anxious to hear what you have to say. Here is where we write our own opinions while respecting the opinions of others.
33-year-old Nuno Gomes is too old because he just is and apparently cant run anymore or keep up with the pace of the game. Though I recall Figo in the starting line up for Portugal at the age of 33 at the 2006 world cup. Not the same player, I know. But doesnt this justify that some players can still play competively despite their veteran status? Only if you give them a chance..
And Poor Ol' Bruno Alves. I sincerely don't mean to criticize him but in all fairness you are responsible for your own actions. The defence was all out of sorts that day but Alves is sololy responsible for not marking his man on that 4th goal. He wasnt putting the equal amount of effort as his teammates were. If he pushes up and we are counter attacked.. he cant track back if his life depended on it.
He could be the future but we live in the present. Carvalho and Pepe are the better duo period. Pepe also scored a crucial goal with his HEAD in a 1-0 win over Hungary last year. Carvalho headed one off the post against Ivory Coast.
The Portuguese movement to North America has nothing to do with Alves moving to Russia. Probably the most stupidest statement I've read from you. Our families were poor, stuck in a war, and came for a better quality of life, what you earn affects the quality of your life.
I'm positive Bruno Alves, The captain of Porto was making a 6 figure salary. He is well off with his life. If you want millions, I don't care. Go to Spain, England, or even Italy. Somewhere competitive. But you opt for Russia. Its like Beckham and Henry playing in the U.S. Their playing careers are finished. They just want money.
It's so unnecessary to get this deep into the subject.. Pepe and Carvalho are simply a better combination. This is my opinion. You say different? Express freely. Don't act like a coward and call people out.
(P.S Andy & Tom don't take offence. The Podcasts are great.)
It's hilarious, so long as you both remember to support Portugal wholeheartedly while you're at it.
I don't think Alves is being punished for his play against Cyprus, or his decision to leave Porto for Zenit (and really, was that ALL his decision? I'm sure Porto didn't mind getting paid millions for his release)
I always share my “opinions” – they are based on what I believe to be unbiased views. My opinions are always based on what I think is best for the team – it is not based on club allegiances. I care first and foremost about the players that wear the jersey for my parents country…my country.
On this site, I don’t participate in mob mentality criticism of individual players or the coach. I don’t use mocking names like “Queer Eyes” or “Failroz” – on the contrary, I respect and thank everyone who wears the shields over their chest to represent US (that’s you, me and everyone else who roots are in the motherland.
As a matter of fact, find one place where I said something negative? Since you seem to think I absolved Bruno Alves of his mistakes against Cyprus and blamed Miguel, thus forcing him into international retirement. As a matter of fact, that statement shows that you are the person who likes to assess blame and point the finger at people.
During the world cup qualifications, when people were screaming about us not making it, I think I was one of the first to say “have faith, we’ll get it done.” When we tied Cyprus, I think I was one of the first to say that we have time to fix it – and what do you know? Thankfully, it looks like we are on our way. If it is with Paulo Bento – great, I don’t care. The most negative thing I said was that Nuno Gomes couldn’t compete at the international level anymore – I didn’t say he was garbage, I just shared an objective point of view.
You on the other hand, are always pointing the finger of blame, all to willing to assign blame to one person. If you can’t assign blame to a specific person, you resort to calling out Ronaldo for having no heart and just wanting cash. You are critical of everything – then you come and grandstand when they win…like you had something to do with it.
See Gino, I take a long range view of what is good for the team – regardless of club teams. All I am trying to say is that Bruno Alves WILL BE a valuable member of this team and shouldn’t be discounted because of one bad game. They all played poorly. Do you think Ricardo Carvalho is going to play into his late 30’s? 40’s? I’m just trying to say that Bruno has always represented – I bet you weren’t hating him so much when he scored in injury time against Albania to keep WC qualification alive huh? Do you remember how he scored? IN THE AIR. I just want the national team coach to develop players to fill the role of those who retire. Bruno is one of those guys we will count on.
Look dummy…I’m going to spell one thing out for you, that you obviously aren’t bright enough to understand. If you know anything about your country, you know that we are a nation of emigrants. Portuguese people have long left the motherland to work and earn money for their families – years ago it was to have a better life. Today, it is to earn a better living. Bruno Alves leaving for Russia is no different – he is going to earn MORE MONEY. He hasn’t turned his back on his country – he just left for a few months to ensure for his future. Last time I checked, there weren’t many big paydays in the Liga.
By the burro – everyone who reads this page knows that you are Orlandomac.
And i certainly like the tried and tested 3 midfielder formation.
However, like so many times before, even under scolari, the sometimes lack of variation, change, and emphasis that when u play with three midfielders and only one striker, players need to get in the box, so many times I have seen us control the ball around the box and we have one player surrounded by 6 opposing players, and it becomes a shooting gallery from 30 yards.
I hope Bento learns from the past and makes alterations, changes, and forces players like Miereles, moutinho, nani, martins to attack into the box - Have you ever watched the Germans or Spanish!
I was disappointed when it was 2-1 and we seemed to become stagnant that he went with postiga, instead of using Varela ( who plays more of a strikers role with his wing play).
With the amount of wing talent that is on fire this season (we didnt have room for quaresma who is playing very well) I would like to see a formation where we suck in teams and let the four attackers have a field day with defenses!
A formation in various shapes with the front four switching pulling back, moving, that looks something like;
Ronaldo Varela
Nani Danny/Quaresma
Machado/Miereles/Veloso - Moutinho/Martins/Fernandes
Coentrao Carvalho Pepe Bosingwa / Perreira
Eduardo
That would be something to see, to unleash all four players on counter attacks, defences wouldnt know who is the striker and who is the winger as all players would be interchangable, i.e. if ronaldo gets ball on wing, nani moves inside, danny moves into striker role and varela provides the width, not to mention one holding midfield determined and a venturing one providing support.
and.. Alves is playing is an unknown league.. he only needs to play average to win games there. If you threw him into a real madrid champs league game with Carvalho, he would flop. Anything Alves can do, Pepe can do better.
I'm a terrible manager..? Well thanks for the consideration. you must be a Porto fan. Look, he abandoned your club for money. There is a reason why Bento has him on the reserve team.
The squad did what it needed to do.
I am a huge Nuno Gomes fan, and still believe that he fills a role at Benfica. Keep in mind that role is in the backroom and not on the field.
His days in the Seleccao are long and gone. He has no business in being called up, nevermind playing.
Keep in mind that I feel the sme way about Liedson. By the time '12 rolls around and World Cup qualifiers we can't depend on him.
I would love for a couple of younger forwards to develop. That means on the club level. Even if they don't start on the Seleccao, let them train with them and experience the atmosphere.
Orlando Sa has to start to make his mark while at Nacional.
Academica's Fidalgo has been doing well.
P Fereira's has several youngsters on loan that need to be watched closely. Oliveira has been doing well at only 19 years old. Pizzi and Caetano have also contributed.
Portimonense has Candeias and Ivalnido, that bear watching.
For all of our deficiencies at midfield, we have quantity there.
Meireles-Veloso-Moutinho
Regarding the Striker discussion thats been a Tuga problem since 66. While I like the physical presence of Almeida no one is convincing. So rather then replace him with Postiga the eternal underachiever shouldn t we try a young player with some potential.
eduardo
coentrao,pepe,carvalho,perreira.
meireles
danny ronaldo nani
postiga almeida
get ready for the next friendly in march against spain..hope we can revenge,,bento's tactis will be tested very much in this match..but i'm glad because bento has transformed seleccao into attacking football as for queiroz..
My comments on Nuno Gomes has nothing to do with what time I support in the Liga. The team I support first and foremost is our national team. Nuno Gomes has scored some huge goals for us, but his time has passed on the international scene. I'm sorry to say it, but it is true. WE need to develop a striker that can create something out of nothing and a guy who can finish. I don't think Nuno can keep up with the pace of the game now to create anything on his own.
Nice win, Bento 2-0-0 - Oh... I like that.
I just scarfed 2 paposecos filled with a little turks, touch of must or like I call it... da mooshtarda... little copa vinho to wash it down... you know how I do....in celebration yo!!!
If we win one more in a row, I'm going crazy: I'm fritando marcellas (2) tossing them in a paposeco and washing it down with some queijo sao jorge and a sagres chaser!!
THIS IS HOW WE DOOOOOOOO ITTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!
FORCA TUGAS!! WEEEEEE'RRRRRRRRRRRRE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCK!!! Anda Bento!!
Liedson has hit double figures in every single one of his 7 seasons at Sporting...
Nuno Gomes ...hasn't ..(he's hit double figures only once in his 8 seasons)
I understand perfectly where you are coming from though, and I do think he should be given a try... I don't think he would've missed the sitter against Iceland.. give him a try over Postiga but not over Liedson or Almeida
In regards to Nuno Gomes.. Many of you think its 30 and done. Give him a chance. He may not be as fast but he is consistant when given those kinds of chances. Postiga has disappointed.
Yes, Nungo Gomes is old, guess what? so is Liedson...now tell me why we should call up a guy just as old as Nuno Gomes, he's not even Portuguese by heart, and a weaker striker? ill tell you why.. cause Liedson is from Sporting which is where a lot of the players were or are from. There's still that rivalry here..
although you guys don't want to admit it, you know Nuno Gomes is better than Postiga and Liedson... he would make a great supporting striker for Almeida!
By the way, why is rolando constantly getting called up? :S like he's not even good and we dont need him. Its just another brazilian that shouldnt be there taking up space...
I'll ask you two geniuses one question...since you are both such great evaluators of talent and watch all of the games. What has Portugal's biggest vulnerability been in their own zone? Would it surprise you if I said it was defending crosses and set pieces - ie. corners and free kicks?
Why on earth would either of you just discount our defense's best aerial defender? I didn't see the game today, I read commentary on RTP. RTP said Iceland's goal was off a corner and Iceland beat Portugal in the air.
So you tell me...Bruno isn't good enough anymore? You can criticize his decision making at times - he had a bad game against Cyprus - but Pepe and Carvalho for all their quality can't defend like Bruno. He is a beast in the air and a physical presence that comands respect back there.
Yup we beat Iceland today - but do you really think we'll get away with that against teams like Germany and England who like to cross in the box? We'll get eaten alive without Bruno in there. Personally, I'd rather see Bruno and Carvalho together - easily the best central defense at the WC - with Pepe playing in front of them.
But hey, what do I know Gino? I mean you are the guy with the plan...like bringing back 33 year old Nuno Gomes into the national team.
Jeezus man...
Anyways i'm happy for these boys and I believe we can top this group!
Forca Portugal
speaking of almeida why does he play but of course nobody focuses opn his errors but everyone keeps focusing on a simple bad shot from martins although he linked with ronaldo and nani well and coentrao im just saying give him a chance
and admit that moutinho was just as bad once again lets not be biased and out of 10 i give martins a 6.5 and the smae goes for moutinho lets notice his positives for ponce and that was making simple passes some good 1-2s and holding the ball and i believe if bewnto let him play freely like at benfica he would play much better it seems as though he is dropping too much im not blaming bento for his performance im js=ust saying he doesnt look as free as he does at benfica
give him a chance he has improved from the last game to this one and he will continue to improve
On another note, Portugal proved to be a very strong team today, because even when they're not on, they still win games regardless. Great character.
Too bad about the soft goal we allowed but I don't mind one goal when we can score 3 every game. It's good to see the offense doing better. We still could've had 4 or 5 but 3 is good and we're obviously improved in the attack.
It's great to be winning again. Forca Portugal!
forca Portugal!
On a positive note, great goal from Ronaldo! And WOW! Meireles with an excellent strike and goal as I'm writing this!
Keep it up boys.
Finally, get that Martins off the field. He wastes perfect opportunities.